RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 20, 2020 at 9:36 am
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2020 at 9:37 am by R00tKiT.)
(April 20, 2020 at 9:05 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The christians had that too. Rejected as apocrypha. Found another!
Curiously, biblical apocrypha has a lot in common with Islam. You should remember that Jesus is a prophet in Islam, too, that the early christians were righteous... according to Islam.
(April 20, 2020 at 9:05 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: No, no, you misunderstand. I think that the narrative in magic book is boring like so much of derivative literature is boring. It's not an issue of translation, lol.
Okay, noted.
(April 20, 2020 at 9:05 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Anyway, who's talking about jesus? Not us. We're talking about christ, the god-man. Hard to rule him out...as a muslim? Do you find yourself convinced by any of these last few items we've found when you consider christian magic book, and christ?
I only think that the original, christian source, is gone, again, by their own admission. Can you argue that it's the case for Islam, too? Why should I investigate any further when I have a more recent Abrahamic message, with clear indication that the core doctrines are preserved verbatim? There are dozens of heretical beliefs about the central figures of christianity, it's a real fucking mess out there. When you proceed and try to make it look like we and the christians are somehow on the same boat.... you just don't know what you're talking about.
That being said, we have a reliable hadith explicitly forbiding any Muslim to reject/accept the christian holy books altogether. That is, recommanding Muslims to suspend judgement about the O/NT, it's well known it's a mess, but cannot be ruled out entirely.
(April 20, 2020 at 9:05 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Hell, it's not even an issue of truth. Lets assume that your magic book is true. These still wouldn't be compelling indicators of that. If you can understand why a christian would need a better argument, or a better set of indicators..if you prefer...then you should understand why you do when speaking to us.
Again, you're assuming we think christians got it all wrong. If christians are arguing for the existence of a god, they don't need a better argument, we generally appeal to the same literature. If they try to defend their core beliefs, they're forced to dwell into circularity by invoking the bible. Whereas, monotheism is much closer to any conclusion in some well known argument for the existence of god. The cosmological argument, for example, aims at proving a cause of the universe, in particular, not a cause split in three parts.