(April 29, 2020 at 1:41 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Yes Voltaire hated organized religion that's not the same as not believing in god and weather Voltaire caused a widespread notion of atheism is aside the point .As he was himself not an atheist so MA is still right.And the est is just you playing amature anthopologistsorry sport i studied this guy. he was mockingly a deist because he did not have the balls to wear the social stigma that came with being labeled an atheist back then. one could be ban from shops public services like police protection and even having been accused of dark magic. deism was the safest thing this guy could align himself with ans still carry out his attacks on god and the church as his 'nod to god' came in the way of a naturalism where he assigned the title to fit the engine that ran the natural world. IE god to him was not a deity but more of a source of power or energy. Plus on his death bed he refused God stating he at this point would not want to make any more enemies.
Quote:Being opposed to organized religion does not make you an atheist and that's all your posts provebeing apposed to God does. most of you are not atheist by definition either you all share more with voltare than you will ever admit in that you hate God, not that you do not believe in him. people who do not believe do not waist their time arguing for years over their same points. this is hatred that fuels this passion.
Whatever you want to call voltare he is the father of the movement now known as atheism.
Quote:Like other key Enlightenment thinkers, Voltaire was a deist.[128] He challenged orthodoxy by asking: "What is faith? Is it to believe that which is evident? No. It is perfectly evident to my mind that there exists a necessary, eternal, supreme, and intelligent being. This is no matter of faith, but of reason."[129][130]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire#Religious_views
In a 1763 essay, Voltaire supported the toleration of other religions and ethnicities: "It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother? The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and creatures of the same God?"[131]
In one of his many denunciations of priests of every religious sect, Voltaire describes them as those who "rise from an incestuous bed, manufacture a hundred versions of God, then eat and drink God, then piss and shit God."[132]
globb. that is not the proper 1763 quote.
The following is the proper quote:
It does not require great art, or magnificently trained eloquence, to prove that Christians should tolerate each other. I, however, am going further: I say that we should regard all men as our brothers. What? The Turk my brother? The Chinaman my brother? The Jew? The Siam? Yes, without doubt; are we not all children of the same father and creatures of the same God?
But these people despise us; they treat us as idolaters! Very well! I will tell them that they are grievously wrong. It seems to me that I would at least astonish the proud, dogmatic Islam imam or Buddhist priest, if I spoke to them as follows:
"This little globe, which is but a point, rolls through space, as do many other globes; we are lost in the immensity of the universe. Man, only five feet high, is assuredly only a small thing in creation. One of these imperceptible beings says to another one of his neighbors, in Arabia or South Africa: 'Listen to me, because God of all these worlds has enlightened me: there are nine hundred million little ants like us on the earth, but my ant-hole is the only one dear to God; all the other are cast off by Him for eternity; mine alone will be happy, and all the others will be eternally damned."
They would then interrupt me, and ask which fool blabbed all this nonsense. I would be obliged to answer, "You, yourselves." I would then endeavor to calm them, which would be very difficult.
The dude is making fun of Buddhist and Muslims. As everything i just quoted is his version of a over simplifies summary of what he thinks they believe, and when he serves it to them in this way, he mocks their preceived response.
This is what you 'good people' do all the time.
Not siding with them. here is a link to a legit copy of the 1763 tretis:
https://web.archive.org/web/200601070138...taire.html
Quote:https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/voltaire/#Ske
I do not need a commentator to think for me. i have spent time in the study of voltare which is why i can run through you guys like water through single ply toilet paper. I understand your foundations even if you do not.
Quote:3 it is a museum but it is also the head quarters of the Geneva bible society world head quarters.Disputed

here sport.. this is a map from town town genva to the actual house:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Geneva,+...d46.207642
here is the recorded history of the house:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_D%C3%A9lices
here is a link to the bible society so you can scheduled a tour and buy a bible at their gift shop.
https://www.bible-society.org/
doesn't seem disputed to me, unless you mean to say it is shut down at this moment due to covid-19
Quote:Furthermore, it is not true that any of his houses were ever used for a Bible society. It’s a great sermon illustration. It leaves people in awe at the power of God. But it’s simply not historically accurate.http://www.mikeleake.net/2013/05/what-ca...taire.html
What is true is that the Hotel Gibbon which Voltaire often frequented became a depository of the Bible Society* in 1849. But that is it. Not quite as good of a sermon illustration. And so, like any good fishing story, the catch has gotten a little bigger over the year
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that looks like a sore butt lie.
You got turn by turn direction from google maps from down town to the house, you got the history of the house from wiki and you got the website to where you can tour the house and visit the bible center headquarters and even buy a bible.
All you link proves is if you wish to bury you head in the sand the internet will allow you to borrow a shovel