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Converting
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RE: Converting
(April 28, 2020 at 8:00 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(April 28, 2020 at 1:42 am)cleansed Wrote: Actually, the truth is exactly the opposite.  I think the vast majority of people who come to faith in Christ do so by reading the scriptures.  I encourage people to read it prayerfully, asking God about what they are reading and to show them the truth.

It's a pleasant thought, but it's wrong.  The majority of the faithful don't even know what's in magic book.  You'd get better info from this group of nonbelievers.  Study after study after study confiorms this rather amusing tick of contemporary faith.  

How people who have not read magic book could come to faith through it, would be the real miracle.  Additionally, it's not entirely cogent to insist that a person who doesn't believe in gods prayerfully ask them for things.  

This may have been what you were doing, ofc- you had an experience while you read magic book.   As such it makes sense for you to tell others to do x - the x that you were doing when you had your experience.

I agree with you that biblical illiteracy is at an all time high.  I can tell you in my experience that most of the Christians I know who are serious about following Jesus read and study their bible and know what is in it, and they have the ability to teach it to others. 

You said it is not entirely cogent to pray to a God that you don't believe in, but isn't that the point of studying the bible in the first place?  You are studying to learn about who God is and so naturally you should be open to the idea of applying what you've learned to seek God out.  Something brought you to it, even if it was just a curiosity. You could liken it to knocking on a door to see if someone is there.  When you pray to Jesus you are inviting Him to open the door and show you He is real.

This is how I believe the majority of people come to faith.  They start reading the bible and God begins to reveal Himself, leading them to commit their lives to Jesus Christ.  That is exactly what happened to me.

(April 28, 2020 at 12:30 pm)Mr Greene Wrote:
(April 28, 2020 at 1:42 am)cleansed Wrote: Actually, the truth is exactly the opposite.  I think the vast majority of people who come to faith in Christ do so by reading the scriptures.  I encourage people to read it prayerfully, asking God about what they are reading and to show them the truth.

In my experience it has more to do with strong emotional states.
You say you were looking for 8 years. Can you describe your emotions at the time you found your group?

Emotions can play a factor in the sense of causing us to be more or less open to God.  During my journey of faith, before I read the bible I had come to my own conclusions about God and I had decided what I thought He was or wasn't.  When I read the bible I was confronted with the reality that God wasn't exactly who I thought He was.  I had a negative reaction to that because I preferred what I believed.  However, what I didn't prefer was believing a comfortable lie to escape an uncomfortable truth.  So, I died to my own ways and I asked Jesus to come into my life.  To my surprise He did and He made me into a new person.

(April 28, 2020 at 10:14 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(April 28, 2020 at 1:42 am)cleansed Wrote: Actually, the truth is exactly the opposite.  I think the vast majority of people who come to faith in Christ do so by reading the scriptures.  I encourage people to read it prayerfully, asking God about what they are reading and to show them the truth.

Actually, Actually, the truth is the vast majority of people who come to faith in FSM do so by reading the scriptures.  I encourage people to read it prayerfully, asking FSM about what they are reading and to show them the truth.

You too can be saved form your false prophet.

RAmen

The trouble I have with this argument is basically you are giving something all the attributes of God and then changing the name.  The fsm is something that we know is made up, and it lacks explanatory power.  It's nonsensical but the idea of God isn't nonsensical.  It isn't irrational to believe an all powerful being could have created the Universe, but ironically it would be irrational if you thought that it was a bowl of spaghetti.

(April 28, 2020 at 12:35 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(April 27, 2020 at 1:54 am)cleansed Wrote: Not in my experience.  I fellowship with the Assemblies of God and there is schooling in the evidences of the faith at their Universities.  Personally, I didn't come to faith by that kind of evidence, but rather through personal revelation that I received through reading the bible.  Before that I was apathetic about religion and had no personal interest in it.

I used to be Assemblies of God, I was even a Royal Ranger. I thought I ought to read the Bible cover to cover to better understand God, my faith, and my practice of it. Then I read it again in a modern English version hoping I misunderstood the KJV because of its antiquated English. Then I stopped being a Pentecostal. It didn't make me an atheist, but it convinced me it was just a collection of stories and poems written by a warlike ancient people.

I love the Assemblies of God and have been attending since I came to faith in Christ, but just to be clear the denomination doesn't matter because you have to be born again.  There are plenty of people who attend a denomination for instance because they were born into a family that attends, as it seems like you were.  My Pastor has told us more than a few times that he believed a lot about God that he later found out wasn't true simply by what he gleaned from growing up in church and what he observed in his own family life.  He had to come to his own conclusions about God by personally seeking Him out.  God brought him to that point and I believe everyone has a reckoning with God.  I won't speculate about why you didn't believe, but I can tell you that when I read the bible for the first time I had the same experience in this sense;  I didn't immediately like what I was reading.  However, I also couldn't deny that it was true and so I continued pursuing God by committing my life to Jesus Christ and trusting Him to fill in the blanks I didn't understand.
~Jesus didn't come to make bad people good.  He came to make dead people alive~
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Converting - by The Valkyrie - April 11, 2020 at 5:50 pm
RE: Converting - by no one - April 11, 2020 at 5:54 pm
RE: Converting - by The Valkyrie - April 11, 2020 at 6:12 pm
RE: Converting - by ignoramus - April 11, 2020 at 6:24 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 11, 2020 at 6:37 pm
RE: Converting - by The Valkyrie - April 11, 2020 at 6:43 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 11, 2020 at 7:08 pm
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 11, 2020 at 7:10 pm
RE: Converting - by The Valkyrie - April 11, 2020 at 7:16 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 11, 2020 at 7:31 pm
RE: Converting - by The Valkyrie - April 11, 2020 at 7:41 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 11, 2020 at 7:58 pm
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 11, 2020 at 8:11 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 11, 2020 at 8:17 pm
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 11, 2020 at 8:29 pm
RE: Converting - by The Valkyrie - April 11, 2020 at 8:27 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 12, 2020 at 10:51 am
RE: Converting - by Paleophyte - April 12, 2020 at 12:16 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 12, 2020 at 12:30 pm
RE: Converting - by Paleophyte - April 12, 2020 at 3:23 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 12, 2020 at 4:50 pm
RE: Converting - by Paleophyte - April 13, 2020 at 2:22 am
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 13, 2020 at 3:34 pm
RE: Converting - by Paleophyte - April 13, 2020 at 9:48 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 15, 2020 at 11:49 am
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 15, 2020 at 12:57 pm
RE: Converting - by Paleophyte - April 15, 2020 at 11:19 pm
RE: Converting - by Mr Greene - April 12, 2020 at 5:10 pm
RE: Converting - by Succubus#2 - April 12, 2020 at 6:03 pm
RE: Converting - by Succubus#2 - April 14, 2020 at 7:16 am
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 11, 2020 at 7:45 pm
RE: Converting - by Paleophyte - April 12, 2020 at 1:11 am
RE: Converting - by Pat Mustard - April 13, 2020 at 3:28 am
RE: Converting - by The Valkyrie - April 13, 2020 at 7:44 pm
RE: Converting - by Gawdzilla Sama - April 11, 2020 at 6:51 pm
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 11, 2020 at 7:07 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 11, 2020 at 7:10 pm
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 11, 2020 at 7:14 pm
RE: Converting - by R00tKiT - April 11, 2020 at 7:23 pm
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 11, 2020 at 7:27 pm
RE: Converting - by ignoramus - April 11, 2020 at 6:45 pm
RE: Converting - by The Valkyrie - April 11, 2020 at 6:55 pm
RE: Converting - by Nay_Sayer - April 11, 2020 at 6:56 pm
RE: Converting - by onlinebiker - April 11, 2020 at 7:13 pm
RE: Converting - by ignoramus - April 11, 2020 at 10:53 pm
RE: Converting - by no one - April 12, 2020 at 12:14 pm
RE: Converting - by WinterHold - April 13, 2020 at 7:26 am
RE: Converting - by The Grand Nudger - April 15, 2020 at 12:05 am
RE: Converting - by Drich - April 15, 2020 at 2:24 pm
RE: Converting - by no one - April 15, 2020 at 2:30 pm
RE: Converting - by Drich - April 17, 2020 at 11:35 am
RE: Converting - by onlinebiker - April 25, 2020 at 7:28 am
RE: Converting - by Ranjr - April 16, 2020 at 12:01 am
RE: Converting - by The Grand Nudger - April 16, 2020 at 7:28 am
RE: Converting - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2020 at 11:57 am
RE: Converting - by cleansed - April 25, 2020 at 1:40 am
RE: Converting - by Pat Mustard - April 25, 2020 at 5:37 am
RE: Converting - by cleansed - April 27, 2020 at 1:54 am
RE: Converting - by Fake Messiah - April 27, 2020 at 2:55 am
RE: Converting - by cleansed - April 27, 2020 at 7:58 pm
RE: Converting - by Fake Messiah - April 28, 2020 at 12:22 am
RE: Converting - by cleansed - April 28, 2020 at 1:42 am
RE: Converting - by Fake Messiah - April 28, 2020 at 2:47 am
RE: Converting - by cleansed - May 4, 2020 at 11:27 pm
RE: Converting - by Fake Messiah - May 5, 2020 at 3:12 am
RE: Converting - by Mr Greene - April 28, 2020 at 12:30 pm
RE: Converting - by Nay_Sayer - April 28, 2020 at 10:14 pm
RE: Converting - by Mister Agenda - April 28, 2020 at 12:35 pm
RE: Converting - by Mr Greene - April 25, 2020 at 4:54 am
RE: Converting - by The Grand Nudger - April 25, 2020 at 7:33 am
RE: Converting - by WinterHold - April 25, 2020 at 7:51 am
RE: Converting - by onlinebiker - April 25, 2020 at 7:56 am
RE: Converting - by WinterHold - April 25, 2020 at 8:07 am
RE: Converting - by onlinebiker - April 25, 2020 at 8:17 am
RE: Converting - by WinterHold - April 25, 2020 at 8:26 am
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 25, 2020 at 8:31 am
RE: Converting - by WinterHold - April 25, 2020 at 8:39 am
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 25, 2020 at 9:16 am
RE: Converting - by WinterHold - April 25, 2020 at 2:28 pm
RE: Converting - by onlinebiker - April 25, 2020 at 3:40 pm
RE: Converting - by WinterHold - April 28, 2020 at 12:50 pm
RE: Converting - by onlinebiker - April 25, 2020 at 12:25 pm
RE: Converting - by onlinebiker - April 25, 2020 at 8:31 am
RE: Converting - by LastPoet - April 25, 2020 at 8:36 am
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 27, 2020 at 5:19 am
RE: Converting - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2020 at 8:00 am
RE: Converting - by cleansed - April 30, 2020 at 1:39 am
RE: Converting - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 30, 2020 at 4:40 am
RE: Converting - by Mr Greene - April 28, 2020 at 1:58 pm
RE: Converting - by The Grand Nudger - April 30, 2020 at 4:26 am
RE: Converting - by The Valkyrie - April 30, 2020 at 4:41 am
RE: Converting - by Nay_Sayer - April 30, 2020 at 12:03 pm
RE: Converting - by Mister Agenda - April 30, 2020 at 12:44 pm
RE: Converting - by cleansed - May 1, 2020 at 12:37 am
RE: Converting - by Fake Messiah - May 1, 2020 at 1:09 am
RE: Converting - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2020 at 7:20 am
RE: Converting - by cleansed - May 4, 2020 at 10:57 pm
RE: Converting - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2020 at 11:23 pm
RE: Converting - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2020 at 11:41 pm

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