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A 'proof' of God's existence - free will
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RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will
If a god is omniscient and knows all about the future, then that god knows all of what it will do, in that future. So the god cannot change whatever it can see in that future, both for itself, and for all of existence, (humans, aliens {to planet earth if they exist }, stars, rocks ~ whatever). So that god can have no hopes, because it knows exactly what will happen, and so, (unless it is quite an illogical god), it cannot for example hope for something 'X' to come to pass, when it knows with 100% certainty that it will not be 'X', but will be some other thing 'Y' instead.

Such a god cannot change its mind, because if it were to give a semblance of changing its mind, (perhaps to us humans), it would know that it will change its mind, (however that might be possible!!), and would be unable to not change its mind about changing its mind when the time came to "change", (or change its will, if the concept of mind makes no sense for said god). And if it could change its mind in a free will kind of sense, then it could not also be omniscient.

Thus such a god cannot be both omniscient, and have free will. So if the god of the new testament is omniscient, then it cannot have free will.

If that god does not have free will, but human beings do, then that god is not omnipotent, for we humans would have an ability, which it does not, (free will).

If humans have no free will, then the god might be super potent, but the omniscience objection to its having free will of its own still applies, its EITHER 'free will' OR 'omniscience' but not both, (isn't it?).

Of course, all of these conundrums vanish if there is no god in actual existence.

Magilla
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A 'proof' of God's existence - free will - by mrj - April 27, 2020 at 9:58 pm
RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will - by mrj - April 28, 2020 at 8:05 am
RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will - by mrj - April 28, 2020 at 10:19 am
RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will - by Brian37 - April 28, 2020 at 10:37 am
RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will - by Brian37 - April 28, 2020 at 10:46 am
RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will - by Brian37 - April 28, 2020 at 11:25 am
RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will - by chimp3 - April 28, 2020 at 7:37 pm
RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will - by Magilla - May 4, 2020 at 10:09 pm
RE: A 'proof' of God's existence - free will - by Sal - August 9, 2020 at 10:25 am

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