RE: Nerd alert! -more spooky Quantum stuff
July 16, 2020 at 9:30 pm
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2020 at 9:33 pm by Porcupine.)
I agree with Einstein that God does not play dice.
It is said that there are no hidden variables. But to me that is just science working within its own framework and not making statements outside itself. As it shouldn't.
The truth is that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And that in response to "there are no hidden variables", when wrongly taken as a truth beyond the scope of science, I would simply ask: how would we know?
Quantum deterministic causation that is far too complex to be examinable by us is indistinguishable from quantum acausality.
Scientific theories simply don't make statements outside their scope ... if something is unfalsifiable science doesn't claim to have absolute knowledge that the unfalsifiable thing is impossible---science just says it isn't real *in scientific terms*. But that's only one way of saying it. Other scientists would say that it isn't knowable by science but still may or may not be real. It depends. As there are scientists who are scientific pragmatists who believe in methodological scientific realism but don't believe in metaphysical scientific realism---they believe that science deals with knowledge of reality rather than with reality itself.
What's more, there are also deterministic models of quantum mechanics too. Not all quantum physicists would agree that God does not play dice (metaphorically speaking). I believe that the model of QM that Sean Carroll holds to is, if I'm not mistaken, a deterministic one.
Also, there is a difference between actual literal indeterminism and acausality on the one hand and indeterminism in the sense of indeterminancy, or in other words, unpredictability and acausality to mean science's inability to find any causes at the quantum level, on the other hand.
To me it's just an error of mistaking the map for the territory. Science is a map rather than a territory. But it's not just a map. It's the best map we have! By far. But it's still a map.
It is said that there are no hidden variables. But to me that is just science working within its own framework and not making statements outside itself. As it shouldn't.
The truth is that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And that in response to "there are no hidden variables", when wrongly taken as a truth beyond the scope of science, I would simply ask: how would we know?
Quantum deterministic causation that is far too complex to be examinable by us is indistinguishable from quantum acausality.
Scientific theories simply don't make statements outside their scope ... if something is unfalsifiable science doesn't claim to have absolute knowledge that the unfalsifiable thing is impossible---science just says it isn't real *in scientific terms*. But that's only one way of saying it. Other scientists would say that it isn't knowable by science but still may or may not be real. It depends. As there are scientists who are scientific pragmatists who believe in methodological scientific realism but don't believe in metaphysical scientific realism---they believe that science deals with knowledge of reality rather than with reality itself.
What's more, there are also deterministic models of quantum mechanics too. Not all quantum physicists would agree that God does not play dice (metaphorically speaking). I believe that the model of QM that Sean Carroll holds to is, if I'm not mistaken, a deterministic one.
Also, there is a difference between actual literal indeterminism and acausality on the one hand and indeterminism in the sense of indeterminancy, or in other words, unpredictability and acausality to mean science's inability to find any causes at the quantum level, on the other hand.
To me it's just an error of mistaking the map for the territory. Science is a map rather than a territory. But it's not just a map. It's the best map we have! By far. But it's still a map.
"Zen … does not confuse spirituality with thinking about God while one is peeling potatoes. Zen spirituality is just to peel the potatoes." - Alan Watts
