[Serious] What is goodness?

[Porcupine]

I'm not sure what you mean by not necessarily, here.  We do find that the things we desire can hurt us, and hurt others.  That's why a thing can be harm™ even when that thing is wanted.  Isn't that the question you asked?  How a realist might see limiting harm to the unwanted?

That was indeed my question but you seemed to respond by trying to explain why harm can't merely be what is unwanted. I responded to that by pointing out that what you were saying could still be explained by harm merely being what is unwanted because it could be that our future self doesn't want what our present self wants, or something like that.

What do you mean when you say that "the things we can desire can hurt us"? Because I take it to simply just be the case that our past self can desire something that hurts our present self and our present self can desire something that hurts our future self. I am not seeing us literally experiencing something as both wanted and harmful.

So, to clarify things, I can follow up with the following question: how can our present self experience something as either (a) both wanted and harmful or (b) both unwanted and not harmful?