(May 8, 2020 at 3:56 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Damaging assertions, too. If man is a creature that can be predetermined to like vanilla, but god-flipped to chocolate, and is also under the influence of this or that other thing that goes bump in the night...and all of that is piled on top of whatever compulsions the material world necessitates...then man is in no sense a creature with a free will.
Even if the existence of free will could suggest that a god exists, this description of man suggests that free will doesn't. The argument is DOA.
A bad argument, but an honest belief. A belief that's honestly paradoxical. Insisting in some theologically important and existent free will while contending that man is a victim of a fate decided by forces and entities exterior to himself, beyond his control, and even beyond his comprehension. This is the literal antithesis of metaphysical freedom. It fails to satisfy the even lower bar of circumstantial freedom ala deterministic compatibilism. What we have, instead, is the supernatural machine turning out malleable human automatons. It appears that we remain the clay golems we were created to be.
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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
