Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.

[DeistPaladin]

Again, if laws of logic are merely something you choose arbitrarily, then why would you even bother saying you have refuted anything? You couldn’t refute a thing because I can just choose my own laws of logic to play by and they would be just as valid as yours.

I'm sorry, when did I say we get to modify or make up our own laws of logic as we see fit? Either I haven't been clear or you are trying to strawman me.

I said I use logic, reason and science because I wish to, I like the results and I need provide you no other justification.

I did NOT say we get to make up our own set of rules of logic like "circular reasoning is not fallacious" or "2+2=5". You can, of course, think in such ways if you wish but I don't think you'll like the results (you'll often be wrong and be ridiculed by those who know better).

The question of which system of thinking is "more valid" logically is based on what is shown to work, both in predictive value and explanation of what is and has been. If I say "2+2=4" and you say "2+2=5", we can test both hypotheses and discover that mine has a more accurate predictive and explanatory value. An invisible sky daddy is neither necessary nor helpful to the process.

You might as well say, "You can't account for why you eat, drink or breathe but I can because I say MyGodWillsIt". You're creating a problem that doesn't exist, defined your god in a contrived way to solve the non-existent problem and then said GodWillsit all in order to justify an a priori conclusion that was based on faith in the first place.

I never opted into any such contract, so are you forcing your moral beliefs on me by telling me I can’t force my moral beliefs on others? That position crushes under its own weight.

Because by violating that contract, you are harming others and therefore it is not solely your business. If you wish to leave the social contract, go be a hermit in some wilderness and live without society. That is your choice.

Is that why humans kill one another in wars, commit murder, steal, rape, and lie and cheat in order to get ahead in life?

No, people do these things because the Bible tells them to.

Just kidding. The Bible does indeed justify wars, murder, robbery, rape and deception but evil people will do that where they can get away with it without religion. What religion does is help evil people justify their behavior while inspiring good people to do evil things.

In any event, the reason we are morally aghast at such things is because we are empathic creatures and wish to form functional communities, which are essential to our survival.

Invisible sky daddy is neither necessary nor helpful to elucidate our understanding of what morality is or why we are moral.

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Make your own case.

Make your own case.

Make your own case.

Already did.

Already did.

Already did.

How the fack is this thread still going?

Because I can't seem to resist trying to school fucktards.

Call it a compulsion.