Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing

[Deesse23]

I agree with most of that, with a couple of exceptions.

-Islamic terrorists don’t kill for the sake of killing. While they tend to be much more fanatical that other terrorists, they DO have agendas beyond merely killing lots of people. If these agendas are met (they never will be), the killings would stop.

Sure. i should have been more clear about this.

I will rephrase:
"Conventional" terrorists i mentioned have a message, and they want to spread this message, per manifesto or on trial, or during negotiations. Its part of their whole activity. Thus they tend to try and survive, even if they commit suicide later (or get executed), after delivering their message.

Suicidal islamists, dont want to spread a message, although they have one. They view themselves however not as a messenger but only as a tool of Allah. The message is in what their imam says the Quran says. There is no need for a suicidal islamist to "communicate" in any meaningful way, he is not a mouthpiece he is a living bomb. Literally.
In this regard they are very much like Kamikaze were (intended to be) and their inherent danger has the same root: this person can not be stopped, not be argued with, not be dealt with other than to kill him/her. The only thing in question is "how many innocent people will be killed as well?"

-While Winter is clearly not a militant Islamist, he’s on the path to radicalization. His rhetoric - which has gotten significantly stronger - shows it. He’s gone from merely defending the more unsavory aspects of his religion to actively hoping for the deaths of Westerners and the destruction of Western civilization. I suspect that his disability is the only thing keeping him from taking a more active role. Maybe the best way to put it is that he IS radicalized, just not active.

Boru

Agreed

He often pretends/claims to be in favour of peace and against violence, but his often stated hope of future suffering, his glee for suffering in the past, his rationalisation of others´ violence and suffering tells me otherwise. Either he is not yet at the end of his path to actual violence, he is just a coward, or its his disability. Yet, even with MS you could strap on a bomb....

whatever it is that keeps him from hurting others i am clearly glad that he is either physically inable, too much of a coward or not radicalized enough yet. Some of those root causes may be more hurtful to him as a person than others. But nobody has forced him to radicalize himself, to buy and propagate horrible ideas, to be ignorant and sacrifice his humanity on the altar of religion (cue: obsession with physical punishment in general, particularly mutilation for minor crimes).

From the perspective of a (potential) victim of his i must say i dont wish suffering on anyone. However its him and himself only who decided to put his unwarranted religious belief in front of reason and humanity, and therefore my sympathy for his health condition or possbile personal situation in the country he currently resides in is very limited. If the only things that keep him from hurting others are his ill health or he is oppressed* and so cant openly act on his horrible beliefs, well then so be it.

*in terms of being kept from doing what he likes, like hurting others