RE: 'Seeking' God
October 30, 2011 at 9:49 am
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2011 at 11:32 am by The Grand Nudger.)
If your argument regarding "hiddenness" were based in reality it would have weight Lucent, but it isn't, so it does not (you're arguing FOR hiddeness in another thread currently are you not? So that we might be able to exercise our "free will").
My wife, being an intelligent person, recognizes many things about christianity that we as atheists recognize. Rather than engage in complete lunacy in private and in public she's obviously decided that it's her faith that's important, not some fantasy whereby she as a human being can know the mind, will, history, and attributes of a creator god. It's very easy for me to respect this sort of stance and the (in my estimation) greater amount of faith it requires to continue to identify as a christian from this standpoint. To you, it seems, there MUST be evidence, it MUST be demonstrably true. So what am I dealing with between you and Salty Lucent, two fair weather christians who need signs and evidence criticizing a christian who takes the entire thing on faith?
People can tell fanciful stories about events or beings that otherwise actually do exist. The stories themselves don't have to be factual for the event to have happened, or the being to have lived. The thing that grinds me about this entire conversation is that this has apparently never crossed either of your minds. Your stories HAVE to be correct, your faith rests on them, hers does not. GJ there, making my wife sounds pious. I'm sure she appreciates.
(just pulled my wife in to be sure I had given her mind a fair shake. I have. Our tiny discussion on the matter led to a comment I have to add to all of this. I'm not here to shit on faith. I'm here to shit on claims to knowledge about that faith which cannot stand scrutiny at any level. Faith seems like such a dirty word to the type of christian who demands evidence. I can never get over that. "Godwillsit" or "Goddidit" is not an adequate defense for anything, right or wrong. It is not an adequate explanation for anything, right or wrong. You have no idea what god wills or did, regardless of what you believe about your holy books. This has been explained to both of you at length.)
My wife, being an intelligent person, recognizes many things about christianity that we as atheists recognize. Rather than engage in complete lunacy in private and in public she's obviously decided that it's her faith that's important, not some fantasy whereby she as a human being can know the mind, will, history, and attributes of a creator god. It's very easy for me to respect this sort of stance and the (in my estimation) greater amount of faith it requires to continue to identify as a christian from this standpoint. To you, it seems, there MUST be evidence, it MUST be demonstrably true. So what am I dealing with between you and Salty Lucent, two fair weather christians who need signs and evidence criticizing a christian who takes the entire thing on faith?
People can tell fanciful stories about events or beings that otherwise actually do exist. The stories themselves don't have to be factual for the event to have happened, or the being to have lived. The thing that grinds me about this entire conversation is that this has apparently never crossed either of your minds. Your stories HAVE to be correct, your faith rests on them, hers does not. GJ there, making my wife sounds pious. I'm sure she appreciates.
(just pulled my wife in to be sure I had given her mind a fair shake. I have. Our tiny discussion on the matter led to a comment I have to add to all of this. I'm not here to shit on faith. I'm here to shit on claims to knowledge about that faith which cannot stand scrutiny at any level. Faith seems like such a dirty word to the type of christian who demands evidence. I can never get over that. "Godwillsit" or "Goddidit" is not an adequate defense for anything, right or wrong. It is not an adequate explanation for anything, right or wrong. You have no idea what god wills or did, regardless of what you believe about your holy books. This has been explained to both of you at length.)
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