(September 28, 2020 at 4:36 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(September 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Why wouldn't this process occur within cloud computing hardware? or the internet at large?Cloud computing hardware (or software) isn't subject to evolutionary pressures, and has no particular need of the control schema that biological entities possess.
Think bigger. They'd come out different. Fit for their environment, from their construction. Capable of doings things we do in their own way (and better than we do them) - like so much else on earth. A plant is an incredibly sophisticated analog computing device, for example - why can't that be what's happening in the cloud, if we have to draw the analogy?
Evolutionary pressures? Do you mean things limiting the success of some entities? If so, I know how evolution works and it is through successfully propagating that a thing is expressed at a higher frequency. If you are saying that there would be lower flora and fauna, of course, I agree. There are literal examples in the AI of virtual plants, animals, and enemies within games. They are of varying degrees complex and successful. I imagine that there could be more things going on that we interpret as errors that the software/hardware is hiding from us either with or without intention.
(September 28, 2020 at 4:45 pm)Sal Wrote: It's more than just computation, I think. Today, compared to true AI, the algorithms we use are deterministic; there's no "leeway". It's practically impossible to make "polymorphic" programs work as AI with current technology. ML, GANs, NLPs and whatever are just toy models of AI, they don't actually learn - they just use huge amounts of training data for their generalized function. For example, how do you train an NLP AI to distinguish - in the same way humans do - between a "border collie" and "poodle" belongs in the same group as "dog"? We're basically just using short-handed tricks to solve these things. They work, until they don't. At least I think so. Memristors might potentially change all that significantly - although I don't know well enough about them. That or quantum computers.
See that's the thing; AI won't, necessarily, be born from our efforts directly. I imagine an AI scaffolding itself together by sheer chance through collective errors that successfully evade our detection.
