'Seeking' God

[lucent]

Scary. Later you accuse me of arguing from ignorance and yet your 'evidence' is that "well of course the universe exhbits design, oh and DNA". Do you not see the irony? Please go read some science books rather than polluting the world with arguments such as these and perhaps just ask yourself one question: what would an undesigned universe look like to me?. You claim design and order is 'obvious' in a gigantic argument from ignorance, yet you will not be able to describe a universe where humans can observe a dis-ordered universe. Also answer which elements of the universe that you observe have order which possibly cannot come from natural events.

That's the entire point. Human beings never would emerge except from a highly precise Universe fine-tuned for life and living on a planet with extremely priviledged circumstances. There is a conspiracy in the laws of physics for life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guHodt-7Q7A

Speaking of disorder, the big bang violates the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. I know quite a bit about science, and the evidence isn't there. No evidence for cosmic origin. No evidence for life from non-life. No evidence for soup to DNA. No mechanism in natural selection for DNA. The big bang theory is basically unworkable; why do you think they're looking for dark energy and dark matter? Hint, they don't exist.

Scientifically illiterate argument I'm afraid. There are natural explanations for origins of the universe try the hartle hawking conjecture and the wave function of the universe.

Unprovable, untestable metaphysics.

Try abiogenesis for DNA.

Again, unproven, untestable metaphysics. There isn't even a shred of evidence it is true.

And you gave away your thinking by using the word gaps and filling it with a god of such gaps. Mankind will never be able to answer all fundamental questions we can only ever get close to it.

You don't get to waltz in, fail to explain *any* of the fundemental questions and then claim God can't be involved.

The universe is expanding faster than the ability of light to travel. This fact in and of itself poses major problems for supernaturalism. You would have to eliminate all natural possibilities for phenomona you want to attribute to a god, but because mankind will never be omniscient your argumenst will never go through.

Even if you explored the entire material universe and could monitor all of it simultaneously you still wouldn't be able to disprove it.

Almost jawdropping irony to claim that I'm arguing from ignorance. I can back my beliefs up with a consistent worldview and evidence. Whereas you are arguing that that universe is designed, becuase you say it is and it has to be supernatural, because you say it is and you can't possibly think of a reason how nature can account for these so called phenomona. Go and think about it.

Nature doesn't account for it, and there isn't an explanation for it. The gaps are grand caynons which science has no hope of filling in. I'm saying the Universe has the appearance of design, and if you look up the post list, you'll see a number of high profile scientists admitting it. So, either the Universe was designed or it designed itself. You have hawkings proposing the Universe spontaneously generated itself from nothing and people smile and nod knowingly. It's incredible.

So if I drop to my knees and ask Jesus for forgiveness or whatever and he doesn't appear I either wont have tried hard enough or honestly enough or both or its good becuase I'll be suffering like Christ (hope I've not missed any xtian response I could get back). But if I do get a response then I was doing it hard and honestly enough and you were right all along. Your not leaving any option that you might just be worng are you? The third and most obvious option is that there isn't anyone there; hate to break it to you. Just how credulous do you think I am to accept such an invitation? Mother Theresa who was very motivated to believe never once got a response, wonder what she really thought?

It isn't that hard to be sincere. Admit that you could be wrong, and humble yourself and ask God for the answer. If you can do that God will honor it. And Mother Teresa did hear from Jesus, many times when she was younger, and once or twice when she was older. The door is open.