(June 13, 2009 at 7:37 pm)padraic Wrote:Quote:TRUTH1986 is quite correct, was it not a crime that the indigenous red people of America had their lands stolen from them by the white man?
Did You not read my post? Or is that you do not understand or agree with the logical fallacy of tu quoque ( literally "you too")
About the crimes,yes he's right they happened, that America was "'founded on crimes"' is hyperbole..
Even if true,it's a non sequitor to attempt to use it to argue against capital punishment.
My own moral position: I consider capital punishment and war to be murder. I do nor argue or explain my moral values,as they are not provable.
From Wiki
Quote:Tu quoque (IPA: /tu ˈkwoʊkwɛ/, Latin for "You, too" or "You, also") is a Latin term that describes a kind of logical fallacy. A tu quoque argument attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting his failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. It is considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the party itself, rather than its positions.[1]
You-too version
This form of the argument is as follows:
A makes criticism P.
A is also guilty of P.
Therefore, P is dismissed.
This is an instance of the two wrongs make a right fallacy.
Example:
"He cannot accuse me of libel because he was just successfully sued for libel." [quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Crime is crime. The indigenous population of America were victims of crime. I say this is true.
Capital punishment is capital punishment. I disagree because Innocent people will be executed.
Quote me anything you like, it won't change my opinion.
A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
