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Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
(November 2, 2011 at 5:11 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Where did I say all Christians were automatically rational?
I never said you did.

Quote:I had some holes in my reasoning before I studied up on presuppositionalism. However, it helped me learn how to be a rational thinker and how to reason downward from my ultimate axiom.
I find it more likely that you heard about presuppositionalism and found it a handy rationalization to believe the things that you already believed. If I'm wrong, you can feel free to go into greater detail.

Quote:It also helped me come to the realization that unbelievers are even worse off than I was before I studied up. They have to borrow from the Christian worldview in order to argue against it and by doing so they prove the validity of the Christian worldview.
I still can't find Jesus' copyright notice on reason or morality.

Quote:I’ll be honest, I was a bit skeptical when I first heard the TAG, I figured there had to be an unbeliever out there somewhere who could account for the laws of logic, morality, the uniformity of nature, etc.
Hello.
Quote:The only person who could justly substitute for a totally guilty person is a wholly innocent person.
Moral justice can't allow for the innocent to take the place of the guilty in punishment, even if the innocent were willing.

For a religion that claims the copyright on morality, it sure is morally bankrupt on even the simplest issues.

Quote:Appeal to authority is only fallacious if the authority is not qualified in the topic of discussion,
The fact that a brilliant person is a Christian lends no credibility to the Christian case, especially in ancient times when we didn't know much about how the universe really works and people were burned at the stake for openly rejecting Jesus. That is appeal to authority.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 16, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 18, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by DeistPaladin - November 2, 2011 at 7:00 pm

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