(January 26, 2021 at 9:58 pm)Five Wrote: An argument I hate: A perfect God(omnipotent) made an imperfect world, with sin, pain, and negative emotions, because it was for our benefit.
Every time I think about this, I get angry. 1. Because those who spout it don't even understand the concept of a painless existence or what learning in that existence would be like. So, how can you sit there and say, "I needed to suffer in order to learn and grow." There is no way for you to know that, because in this existence, pain and suffering is all you know. And 2. It's pure gaslighting on the part of this deity, who willed everything into existence and made the laws that govern the universe and thus our lives. I live at its behest, therefore, no matter how terrible my experience(which this deity claims responsibility for) I better be grateful. Or else.
The claim that "pain" as some bullshit superstitious, comic book God/god/deity/supernatural reason is just that. BULLSHIT.
Evolution is the reason pain exists. It is away of life surviving. That does not mean it is desirable, but just in that it happens.
I fucking get angry too. Don't argue to me that there is some magical sky baby sitter who can protect me but does not. I know why bad happens to me and it is not magical, it is because shit happens. Sure humans can seek ways to minimize harm to oneself, but that isn't a product of a cosmic Yoda or some Darth Vader competing over the neurons in one's brain.
Suffering isn't a lesson, it is simply a matter of nature. If one can accept both friend and foe all die long term, the only conclusion one can come to is that "suffering" is not political, ideological, or religious or economic. It simply is a matter of the human condition.
That is not to say morality does not exist, or that humans cannot improve to reduce suffering. It is just to say that suffering isn't a patent or justification or magical or a reality show.
