(March 17, 2021 at 1:44 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:(March 17, 2021 at 1:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: UGGGG, still staring at my finger when I am pointing at the moon.
I don't care if this sicko targeted ABBA fans because he wanted to fuck Agnetha Faltskog.
Our country is unfortunately reactive to firearm violence AFTER THE FACT, regardless of motive, that costs more in lives and economically, than prevention would. I don't expect a perfect system, nor a "crystal ball".
Our current laws SUCK, regardless of motive.
If our firearm laws worked like vetting passenger jet pilots, or CIA agents, we would have far less firearm violence.
I am not looking to end 100% of all firearm sales, or ownership. But it should not be as easy as walking into a shop, and having no record. This sicko legally bought his firearms hours before killing 8 people. The Vegas hotel/concert shooter, also had no record, and murdered 58 people before killing himself. And that sicko had dozens of legally purchased firearms.
You want to have your cake and eat it too....
You CANNOT predict future human behavior.
You seem to claim you can.
Tell us how.
Show us your crystal ball.
Fallacy of equivocation.
I cannot predict what a firearm buyer will do, BUT THAT IS NOT THE FUCKING POINT!
You are using this bullshit argument to avoid facing our firearm violence problem.
Show my YOUR crystal ball that predicts that everyone who legally buys a firearm won't go on to get violent.
Your "crystal ball" is falsely assuming a legal buy will prevent the buyer from getting violent after the legal buy.
Yesterday's nut who murdered 8 people had no detectable record preventing him from LEGALLY buying the firearms he used just hours before his killing spree.
And again, none of what I am arguing is calling for a 100% ban on all firearms.
I am saying that our vetting process SUCKS.
James Huberty in 1984 managed to legally buy firearms and walk into a McDonalds in California and murder 21 people. And despite the fact he sought mental health prior to committing that mass murder, the laws at that time didn't prevent him from owning the firearm he committed the mass murder with. Nothing could have stopped yesterday's sicko either. But that is my point. You falsely accuse me of defaulting to presumption of guilt, which is not what I am arguing.
Stop using the "crystal ball" bullshit. This isn't about denial of rights, or assuming guilt. It is a matter of public safety. Just like taking a pilots test, isn't assuming you will crash the plane.
And I will say it again. Having read your responses over the years on this issue, I damned sure know if you owned a gun shop, you would NOT sell me a firearm. But, your fucked up logic ignores that I could go to another shop and legally buy one right now.
Do you have a "crystal ball" that would predict me using a firearm to commit a killing spree? No you do not. But I also know you'd be lying your ass off if you'd claim you'd be willing to sell me a firearm.
Saying firearms are too easy to obtain, is not a call for a 100% ban.
