(March 17, 2021 at 2:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote:Stupid twat.(March 17, 2021 at 1:44 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You want to have your cake and eat it too....
You CANNOT predict future human behavior.
You seem to claim you can.
Tell us how.
Show us your crystal ball.
Fallacy of equivocation.
I cannot predict what a firearm buyer will do, BUT THAT IS NOT THE FUCKING POINT!
You are using this bullshit argument to avoid facing our firearm violence problem.
Show my YOUR crystal ball that predicts that everyone who legally buys a firearm won't go on to get violent.
Your "crystal ball" is falsely assuming a legal buy will prevent the buyer from getting violent after the legal buy.
Yesterday's nut who murdered 8 people had no detectable record preventing him from LEGALLY buying the firearms he used just hours before his killing spree.
And again, none of what I am arguing is calling for a 100% ban on all firearms.
I am saying that our vetting process SUCKS.
James Huberty in 1984 managed to legally buy firearms and walk into a McDonalds in California and murder 21 people. And despite the fact he sought mental health prior to committing that mass murder, the laws at that time didn't prevent him from owning the firearm he committed the mass murder with. Nothing could have stopped yesterday's sicko either. But that is my point. You falsely accuse me of defaulting to presumption of guilt, which is not what I am arguing.
Stop using the "crystal ball" bullshit. This isn't about denial of rights, or assuming guilt. It is a matter of public safety. Just like taking a pilots test, isn't assuming you will crash the plane.
And I will say it again. Having read your responses over the years on this issue, I damned sure know if you owned a gun shop, you would NOT sell me a firearm. But, your fucked up logic ignores that I could go to another shop and legally buy one right now.
Do you have a "crystal ball" that would predict me using a firearm to commit a killing spree? No you do not. But I also know you'd be lying your ass off if you'd claim you'd be willing to sell me a firearm.
Saying firearms are too easy to obtain, is not a call for a 100% ban.
I don' t make any claims of anyone' s future actions.
It' s fucking impossible.
And no I would not sell you a firearm. I' m sure you' re as annoying in R/L as you are online... I' d toss you out of the shop just for that.....
The vetting for pilots involves aircraft worth 100's of millions of dollars - not a $600 pistol. You can' t expect the same level of involvement. Of course your answer is to tack it on to the cost of the gun - making it into the 10s or 100s of thousand dollars for that kind of vetting. So a $600 gun costs $12,000. What do you care - you are not denying anyone their rights.....
