RE: Turning the tables on atheism
March 26, 2021 at 2:19 pm
(This post was last modified: March 26, 2021 at 2:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 25, 2021 at 4:33 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:It would be highly unlikely for any moral system to be the complete opposite of any other - but that's not really a requirement. A religion doesn't have to be doing every bad in the worst possible way all of the time for someone to decide that the club isn't for them. Often enough, it just has to hit any non negotiable items of moral import...and if all of the rest of it were candy and roses... it wouldn't matter.
(March 23, 2021 at 6:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Still a reading comprehension problem. I'm an atheist who has a problem with evil, but the problems of evil aren't part of why I'm an atheist at all. They're just reasons that the existence of your silly god is irrelevant to my rejection of your very real and shitty religion.
You're not being precise enough about why you reject religion. Are you being honest here? Is really every aspect of Islam the complete opposite of your own morality?
That's what having moral character means. That's why the bribe theory you floated before doesn't work. Maybe if I had a better life I would believe in a god or abandon my moral principles and become a muslim? Maybe if I believed that allah would grant me a reward, in this life or even the next... I'd be a muslim?
In a word, no. The longer answer is, ofc, that I've had a good life, and I don't believe. That there are certainly people who would reward me for breaking my principles.... and yet I don't.
Quote:Don't you think it's ironic that a theist who claimed that there was a high likelihood that believers were aware of and had rationalized the issues with their beliefs,..therefore something...turned out to be an example of a theist who is both unaware of issues with his faith..and indeed has never once rationalized those things or even had occassion to do so?(March 23, 2021 at 6:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You mean, that's a problem that you don't know and haven't rationalized? How many more things like this will we find?
I am not sure what's your problem with rationalization. As I said, it doesn't imply falsehood. If we can have an internally consistent theism, then we're better off spend more time on standard arguments for god than argue endlessly about evil and hiddenness, this is the point of my thread.
I'm not sure that it's going to work out for your argument, whatever that turns out to be.
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