Morality without God

[zwanzig]

That's not the way that you think or we think it's supposed to work. That probably is the way that it works in practice. Civilizing the natives, for example, was seen as a good deed. What civilizer wouldn't want to be saved and civilized?

Yes it is. I started the thing with "I think". So clearly...

I don't understand the rest of what you said or why it relates to what I said. Are we talking about moral systems that should work if we used them or systems that we haven't put in place in the past and "here is an example of them not working before"?

You edited. I still stand by my confusion. Are we talking about moral systems that work for educated privileged people or are we talking about systems that everyone can get on board with to help everyone be elevated on a somewhat even playing field?

I'm not religious so, I don't care what God says is right. We're trying to find a moral standard that can be taught to people without God. How do you teach empathy? It starts with putting someone in someone else's shoes. We can of course add on to it.

Edit: alright, I'm done responding to you. You're going to edit rather than respond? So it looks like I am an idiot responding to things not your point? Fine. You can do that without me.