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Morality without God
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RE: Morality without God
(April 2, 2021 at 10:03 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Essentially humanism is the stance that we can't appeal to divine authority or ideological or religious dogma to resolve moral issues. 

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Humanism, in the sense you're using it, is an ideology. If we are using the definition of ideology offered first by Google:

Quote:ideology
/ˌʌɪdɪˈɒlədʒi/
noun
noun: ideology; plural noun: ideologies
1.
a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
"the ideology of democracy"


Quote:Humanism espouses democracy, freedom, progress and the equal worth and dignity of everyone and advocates for policies that will help us thrive, including protecting the world we live in. A lot of atheists are basically humanists even if they don't label themselves that way or know what humanism is.


It's also an awfully lot like a dogma, in the sense quoted below, from Wikipedia:

Quote:Dogma in the broad sense is any belief held unquestioningly and with undefended certainty. It may be in the form of an official system of principles or doctrines of a religion, such as Roman Catholicism, Judaism, or Protestantism,[1] as well as the positions of a philosopher or of a philosophical school such as Stoicism. It may also be found in political belief systems, such as communism, progressivism, liberalism and conservatism.[2][3]

Since it isn't the kind of thing we can prove scientifically (it's ought, not is) then it's something we hold to without proof. I suppose if you hold to it tentatively, rather than "unquestioningly," then you're not being dogmatic about it.

I happen to think it's quite a good ideology. But I don't want to make it seem superior by claiming that other people have a set of tenets about how the world should be and they have an ideology, whereas I have a set of tenets about how the world should be but mine is somehow NOT ideology. 

We can claim that our ideology is best, but not that it somehow rises above the ideological.
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Morality without God - by Superjock - March 30, 2021 at 8:44 am
RE: Morality without God - by Silver - March 30, 2021 at 8:47 am
RE: Morality without God - by zwanzig - March 30, 2021 at 8:52 am
RE: Morality without God - by Superjock - March 30, 2021 at 9:48 am
RE: Morality without God - by Mister Agenda - April 1, 2021 at 9:20 am
RE: Morality without God - by Superjock - April 1, 2021 at 10:13 am
RE: Morality without God - by Mister Agenda - April 2, 2021 at 10:03 am
RE: Morality without God - by Belacqua - April 2, 2021 at 6:57 pm
RE: Morality without God - by vulcanlogician - April 3, 2021 at 4:49 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Belacqua - April 4, 2021 at 1:24 am
RE: Morality without God - by vulcanlogician - April 4, 2021 at 9:21 pm
RE: Morality without God - by polymath257 - April 4, 2021 at 10:17 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Belacqua - April 5, 2021 at 6:38 am
RE: Morality without God - by Duty - March 30, 2021 at 9:32 am
RE: Morality without God - by Fake Messiah - March 30, 2021 at 9:34 am
RE: Morality without God - by Fake Messiah - March 30, 2021 at 10:04 am
RE: Morality without God - by Silver - March 30, 2021 at 10:12 am
RE: Morality without God - by LadyForCamus - March 30, 2021 at 11:15 am
RE: Morality without God - by Gwaithmir - March 30, 2021 at 11:26 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 11:49 am
RE: Morality without God - by Superjock - March 30, 2021 at 1:32 pm
RE: Morality without God - by brewer - March 30, 2021 at 11:57 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 12:13 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 30, 2021 at 1:25 pm
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 1:35 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 30, 2021 at 1:39 pm
RE: Morality without God - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 30, 2021 at 3:01 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 31, 2021 at 9:49 am
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 1:40 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 30, 2021 at 1:41 pm
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 1:51 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 30, 2021 at 2:08 pm
RE: Morality without God - by vulcanlogician - March 30, 2021 at 5:50 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 1:49 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 1:53 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Superjock - March 30, 2021 at 3:15 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Abaddon_ire - March 30, 2021 at 5:20 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 2:12 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 30, 2021 at 2:16 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 2:24 pm
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 2:33 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 30, 2021 at 8:43 pm
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 8:59 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 30, 2021 at 9:13 pm
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 9:19 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 30, 2021 at 9:30 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Fake Messiah - March 30, 2021 at 11:09 pm
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 11:12 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 31, 2021 at 2:47 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 2:48 pm
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 2:55 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 3:05 pm
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 3:08 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 3:31 pm
RE: Morality without God - by arewethereyet - March 30, 2021 at 3:49 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 3:54 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 5:30 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 5:56 pm
RE: Morality without God - by vulcanlogician - March 30, 2021 at 6:25 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2021 at 6:36 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Silver - March 30, 2021 at 9:14 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2021 at 10:12 am
RE: Morality without God - by zwanzig - March 31, 2021 at 10:41 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2021 at 10:49 am
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - March 31, 2021 at 12:50 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Fake Messiah - March 31, 2021 at 1:35 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2021 at 4:23 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Fake Messiah - March 31, 2021 at 9:49 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Rahn127 - April 1, 2021 at 12:48 am
RE: Morality without God - by Ravenshire - April 1, 2021 at 11:04 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Rev. Rye - April 1, 2021 at 1:05 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Architect Of Fate - April 1, 2021 at 2:27 am
RE: Morality without God - by Fake Messiah - April 1, 2021 at 5:41 am
RE: Morality without God - by zwanzig - April 1, 2021 at 7:30 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2021 at 8:01 am
RE: Morality without God - by zwanzig - April 1, 2021 at 8:08 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2021 at 8:19 am
RE: Morality without God - by polymath257 - April 1, 2021 at 12:26 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Belacqua - April 1, 2021 at 11:08 pm
RE: Morality without God - by LadyForCamus - April 1, 2021 at 11:23 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - April 2, 2021 at 2:04 am
RE: Morality without God - by Belacqua - April 2, 2021 at 2:12 am
RE: Morality without God - by Angrboda - April 2, 2021 at 8:35 am
RE: Morality without God - by Belacqua - April 2, 2021 at 4:09 pm
RE: Morality without God - by downbeatplumb - April 1, 2021 at 1:55 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2021 at 12:13 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2021 at 10:48 am
RE: Morality without God - by Duty - April 2, 2021 at 4:16 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2021 at 5:35 pm
RE: Morality without God - by vulcanlogician - April 3, 2021 at 5:50 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Rahn127 - April 3, 2021 at 7:34 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2021 at 6:46 am
RE: Morality without God - by polymath257 - April 4, 2021 at 9:51 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2021 at 7:12 am
RE: Morality without God - by vulcanlogician - April 6, 2021 at 9:13 pm
RE: Morality without God - by polymath257 - April 7, 2021 at 9:42 am
RE: Morality without God - by vulcanlogician - April 7, 2021 at 11:21 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - April 7, 2021 at 8:44 am
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - April 7, 2021 at 10:08 am
RE: Morality without God - by JohnJubinsky - June 17, 2021 at 5:51 pm
RE: Morality without God - by JohnJubinsky - June 17, 2021 at 5:51 pm
RE: Morality without God - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2021 at 5:57 pm
RE: Morality without God - by Ranjr - June 17, 2021 at 6:10 pm

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