RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
April 7, 2021 at 2:35 pm
(This post was last modified: April 7, 2021 at 2:59 pm by Drich.)
(April 6, 2021 at 8:25 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I have meaning, joy and contentment without having to “serve” any god.
well i have more, and it is because i serve God.
(April 6, 2021 at 5:39 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Why does a god need prayer anyway?
Is prayer a kind of food for a god? like a Psychic vampire?
look at the lord prayer as an outline...\
the prayer is not for God but rather for us... it is conditioning for one to seek what God want for your life rather than a wishing ceremony.
1 acknowledge God is sovern (our father who is in heaven hollowed is your name)
2 As for his will his authority become the law of the land and the righteousnesss that guides you life. (your kingdom come your will be done on earth as it is in heaven)
3 ask for your daily need (give us this day our daily bread)
4 then ask God to forgive you in so far as you can forgive others/if you can forgive other you are asking god not to forgive you (Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us)
the above is what prayer is according to christ himself. everything else is supplication/wish ceremony
(April 6, 2021 at 12:55 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I allow my kids to eat chocolate, too. Don't get me wrong, your beliefs about this are no more or less ridiculous, but your explanation for those beliefs is just silly. I'm not sure it's great marketing for the cause, either. Your gods gonna give everyone a lobotomy, that's the reward in heaven for being faithful to a ghostly asshole on earth?
Pass.
My explaination has not even been discussed. I believe we are a dual natured being. a physical host and a spiritual symbiote. what you understand free will to be is allowing the physical based being choose between what it wants and why the symbiote wants. So what happens when the host body dies? Why would the Spiritual being still want what the host wanted? unless it was a measure to simply hate god? As a spiritual being what could you possible want other than what you were designed by God to do? and if God gave you that/put you in a role that would give you contentment and joy.. what else could you want?
(April 6, 2021 at 5:17 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:Our Father who is in heaven hollowed be your name. your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. If God's will is being done here, is there room for your will, what if your will is to sin? God's will in not sin. So if you prayed as Jesus taught us to pray the lord's prayer you have prayed for God's will to supercede you own will, even if you did not fully understand what you are asking for.(April 5, 2021 at 1:18 pm)Drich Wrote: No free will in Heaven.
We all pray for God will be done, as his will is righteous and will free from righteousness is evil.
We have to pray for god's will to be done? Forever? No choice allowed?
Quote:Surely god shouldn't need our prayers to do anything at all, right? He is all-powerful, right? He needs no prayers from us, right?as you can see in the lord's prayer the prayer is not for God but rather to help us to accept the changes needed for us to become close to God.
Quote:The only way your god needs anything from us is if he is so feeble that he is unable to do anything without us. He is dependent on us and our prayers. Why would you worship such a weak and ineffectual deity?or maybe your understanding/rebuttal here does not follow what was said/nonsecquiter
Quote:Furthermore, how is sitting around for eternity praying for your god to succeed but never managing to do so for eternity any different than us not existing at all? Is your god that Donald Trump of all gods, merely demanding the praise but never achieving anything?who said anything about praying for eternity??? this is a lazy dishonest exegesis of scripture. are the stars not infinate? are we not to spend eternity with God? why then would he create an infinite universe if it were only for this small span of life? Wouldn't a logical person think that our eternity with God would have something to do with the eternity that is our cosmos?