[Serious] Moral Obligations toward Possible Worlds

[Angrboda]

I think that you're being hasty.  Sure, things change, but the thing that's changed in this instance isn't whether or not people think slavery is bad - even slavers think slavery is bad.  It's the distribution of people who hold to a view, and the extent of moral exclusions or justifications to the otherwise immoral (even by their own standards) in that view.  Consider the views presented by confederate leadership and northern sympathizers alike.  That slavery was a necessary evil.  Necessary to the instruction of the black race, necessary to the function of society.  There's moral agreement here, with anti slavery positions.  The position qualifies evil.

People may have thought that slavery was bad in the sense of undesirable, but that's not the same thing as holding that it's immoral. Subjecting our children to pain, whether in getting healthcare or being disciplined, is a necessary evil. That doesn't make it immoral. The evil here being figurative. Having studied ancient slavery a bit, there's little in the record about it being immoral. And the slavers in the American south defended it as moral. Regardless, if you don't like that example, we can pick another. Homosexuality's morality in the U.S. was once viewed very differently. The morality of sex outside marriage. And the morality of masturbation. There's no shortage of examples of the base fact that intuitions about morality differ and change over time.

Our moral responsibilities with respect to some future generation may be true and obvious and rationally arrived at..and, even so, people will still disagree or fail to see as much or qualify whatever amount of evil we intend to do with justifying caveats.  That, to me, suggests a far more elaborate process than the expression of intuitive thoughts.  I think that we probably both hold a similar view bout human morality in practice - but I don't think that I could call it anything less than a rationalization.  That's probably an effect of my having picked a lane, ofc.  Between the notion that we can't get it right or wrong, and the notion that we can and we get it wrong alot - I think it's the latter.  I absofuckinglutely believe that intuition is the culprit behind getting it wrong when and how we do a good amount of those times.  Intuitions about personhood and shared humanity and economic necessity misinformed a great many people in the south, even as they saw the foundation of their own revulsion towards bondage as being as obvious as it has always been and still remains.  They weren't wrong or even being irrational about morality, if we're being super accurate, they were wrong and irrational about other people - and that either facilitates or makes that specific moral failure inevitable.

That's nice that you can imagine such things, but until you demonstrate an objectively rational foundation, your fantasies are impotent.

Our getting it wrong is only meaningful if there is a way of getting it right. Until you find that, all this talk about sources of error is just idle.

And you've disregarded my initial statement about morality that I said that I don't know if morals are purely intuitive. It doesn't matter. Our knowledge of morals is solely intuitive. At the end of the day, morals appear to reduce to just the consensus of people's intuitions. If you feel otherwise, then you need to produce that something else.

I think the same thing happens with the abortion issue.  Neither side of this is having a moral disagreement over babykilling or our responsibilities to our fellow man in present or in future.  We may intuitively believe as much, though, and that intuition in spite of all very obvious evidence to the contrary will effect our consciously rational or rationalized conclusions in the same way.  Garbage in, garbage out.

You're continuing to babble about 'might be'. Give me something that is, or quit wasting your breath. If you had a rational foundation, the epistemological problems could be resolved. It isn't epistemology that's standing in your way.