(May 7, 2021 at 2:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You've explicitly and repeatedly made such an argument, laying out examples of moral disagreements, and then declaring that is it thus clear that we're arguing opinions or intuitions rather than facts.
No, I have not. As I prefaced my very first post, I'm not arguing whether or not there are moral facts or that if such facts exist we cannot reason from them. What I have argued is that there appears to be no way to inspect moral propositions other than intuition. If you believe there are, a simple counter-example instead of all this bilge would be 1000% more effective. What I have argued is that the lack of agreement shows that no one has established a rational foundation for morals. That's not at all the argument you're representing me as having made.
(May 7, 2021 at 2:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I can't recall having ever imagined that vaccinating my kids was evil - but I'm sure that I could come up with some scenario where it could be or would be and then I and some other person could argue over the morality of vaccinating our kids...and none of that argument would suggest or imply that either of us weren't being consciously rational, or that there could be no true fact to bicker over. The rational foundations of morality are, at least in the view I hold, the same rational foundations applied to any other rational or rationalized things. I talk about moral things and conceive of moral things in the same way that I talk about the color of a thing, and statements about the color of a thing. There's never been any question as to whether or not moral systems can have rational foundations. Or that we can employ reason. It's an open question whether or not any given rational moral system is the Right system, ofc.
All reasoning starts from things which are assumed to be true. Thus all reasoning is without an ultimate rational foundation. This is no less true of arguments about color than it is about morals. What is different is that there appears to be rough consensus about which things are reasonable to assume in the case of color, but not as much in the case of morals. Color is rooted in experience. What is the experience of morals rooted in? So far you've given me no alternative to intuition.
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