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Why I believe in God.
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RE: Why I believe in God.
(November 8, 2011 at 4:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: A proof of design I believe is consciousness. I don't believe evolution can account for consciousness appearing out of non-conscious. There is no process leading from one to other. There has to be a step where there is no consciousness and then there is consciousness, but that is too complex for it to happen by a mutation, so the step will never happen.

I agree. I think it would require some kind of an intelligent process to cause matter to go from inanimate to animate (even through evolution which I believe in).

One explanation is that there may be a self-referential property in the laws of nature which allows matter to perceive itself. So, if that is true, then there is a possibility that even reality is self-referential in a similar way to human consciousness (thus making it "self-aware"). Again, this is just a hypothesis, but not provable. Here's a passage from an article that I was skimming through:

Quote:This new physics is emerging from a radically different comprehension of the nature of reality, namely that of a self-referential information system, where the information is semantic and active, that is, information that has meaning in the system itself, and because of that the system evolves in a manner determined by that meaning, and so is experienced by the system. This amounts to the assertion that reality is self-aware at all levels, though clearly that self-awareness is of a very limited form in most systems, but is there even at the level of quantum matter.

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Having said that, welcome to the forum. Feel free to post your thoughts and participate in discussions any time. Big Grin
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Why I believe in God. - by MysticKnight - November 8, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by 5thHorseman - November 8, 2011 at 4:54 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Minimalist - November 8, 2011 at 4:56 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by frankiej - November 8, 2011 at 5:33 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by thesummerqueen - November 8, 2011 at 5:35 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by ElDinero - November 8, 2011 at 5:44 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by frankiej - November 8, 2011 at 5:47 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Kayenneh - November 8, 2011 at 7:42 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Cyberman - November 8, 2011 at 8:34 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Rayaan - November 8, 2011 at 8:38 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by ElDinero - November 9, 2011 at 5:09 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Jay1982 - November 8, 2011 at 9:46 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Cyberman - November 8, 2011 at 10:08 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by padraic - November 8, 2011 at 10:57 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by MysticKnight - November 8, 2011 at 11:56 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Erinome - November 9, 2011 at 12:14 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by ElDinero - November 9, 2011 at 3:22 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by fr0d0 - November 9, 2011 at 3:25 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by ElDinero - November 9, 2011 at 4:44 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Darth - November 9, 2011 at 4:57 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Kayenneh - November 9, 2011 at 5:13 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by neverinchurch - November 9, 2011 at 7:34 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by MysticKnight - November 9, 2011 at 5:04 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by ElDinero - November 9, 2011 at 5:16 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by MysticKnight - November 9, 2011 at 5:29 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2011 at 5:28 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Faith No More - November 9, 2011 at 5:36 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2011 at 5:39 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by MysticKnight - November 9, 2011 at 5:43 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by ElDinero - November 9, 2011 at 5:45 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2011 at 5:45 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by chadster1976 - November 9, 2011 at 6:11 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by toro - November 20, 2011 at 12:35 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by fr0d0 - November 9, 2011 at 6:20 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Joe Bloe - November 13, 2011 at 9:24 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by AthiestAtheist - November 19, 2011 at 7:53 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 12:54 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by toro - December 3, 2011 at 3:49 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 1:30 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by fr0d0 - November 20, 2011 at 2:58 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 5:31 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by fr0d0 - November 20, 2011 at 7:03 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Epimethean - November 20, 2011 at 1:36 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by chadster1976 - November 20, 2011 at 1:45 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Epimethean - November 20, 2011 at 1:47 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Epimethean - November 20, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by fr0d0 - November 20, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by IATIA - November 20, 2011 at 5:14 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Faith No More - November 20, 2011 at 7:05 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Epimethean - November 20, 2011 at 4:56 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by fr0d0 - November 20, 2011 at 7:40 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Faith No More - November 21, 2011 at 8:23 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 8:37 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Epimethean - November 20, 2011 at 8:42 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Norfolk And Chance - November 20, 2011 at 8:46 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 3:58 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 5:48 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by fr0d0 - November 21, 2011 at 4:21 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Erinome - November 21, 2011 at 4:27 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 5:01 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by fr0d0 - November 21, 2011 at 6:57 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 7:03 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Skeptical_Nurse - November 21, 2011 at 5:32 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 7:02 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by 5thHorseman - November 21, 2011 at 7:07 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by chadster1976 - November 21, 2011 at 3:57 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by Norfolk And Chance - November 21, 2011 at 4:41 pm
RE: Why I believe in God. - by The Grand Nudger - December 3, 2011 at 10:31 am
RE: Why I believe in God. - by LastPoet - December 3, 2011 at 12:00 pm

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