RE: Non-binary
June 12, 2021 at 7:24 pm
(This post was last modified: June 12, 2021 at 7:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
If we want to understand something, and if we want to accurately register our disagreement with that thing we must at least commit to speaking about that thing. Not other things, which we seek to reduce the thing itself to.
It might be pleasant, for example, if gender identity were a meaningless category. And...maybe in how we personally think about things, it is..or we would contend that it is....but we must understand that this is not true of the world in which these discussions play out.
If it were an empty concept and a distraction, and there were no there there..... properly....in mere reality, that would not change the facts on the ground related to gender identity as it's expreessed..in reality, agreed? The question becomes, does anyone in this coversation think that whatever they're talking about whatever our position on it, is an actually non thing that doesn't exist with no consequecnes for taking any position or another?
Lets take a moment, if it matters to us, to dispense with all of and any thing this debate is not over, fore example. We do all believe that these people are real and are really communicating a thing which really concerns them..for starters.......yes? There will be no and can be no, after that, disagreement as to whether or not, in any sense, this is....real...right?
To that end, we can save alot...aloooot...of time, if we simply understand that even if we disagree with the following statement, it is a true expression of the position which we might argue. Gender...and sex...re not,..the same thing....or that...even if they are........ thats not what these people are talking about. Start there, start there, and see if you still have some or any objection. Can we do this, or who among us can do this, because only that group of people even could have any relevant comment, beyond that point.
I t makes no sense, none, and even cannot make sense, none, to respond to a non binary claim with anything that amounts to - but I only see two. if there are more than two or even could be, then there is nothing Yes. They know. They...do not. This is a serious thread, correct? And not a serious thread in the sense that we seek to game the rules of the board to troll the members of the board. That's not what's happening here, am I correct?
Correct me, please...if I am wrong.
It might be pleasant, for example, if gender identity were a meaningless category. And...maybe in how we personally think about things, it is..or we would contend that it is....but we must understand that this is not true of the world in which these discussions play out.
If it were an empty concept and a distraction, and there were no there there..... properly....in mere reality, that would not change the facts on the ground related to gender identity as it's expreessed..in reality, agreed? The question becomes, does anyone in this coversation think that whatever they're talking about whatever our position on it, is an actually non thing that doesn't exist with no consequecnes for taking any position or another?
Lets take a moment, if it matters to us, to dispense with all of and any thing this debate is not over, fore example. We do all believe that these people are real and are really communicating a thing which really concerns them..for starters.......yes? There will be no and can be no, after that, disagreement as to whether or not, in any sense, this is....real...right?
To that end, we can save alot...aloooot...of time, if we simply understand that even if we disagree with the following statement, it is a true expression of the position which we might argue. Gender...and sex...re not,..the same thing....or that...even if they are........ thats not what these people are talking about. Start there, start there, and see if you still have some or any objection. Can we do this, or who among us can do this, because only that group of people even could have any relevant comment, beyond that point.
I t makes no sense, none, and even cannot make sense, none, to respond to a non binary claim with anything that amounts to - but I only see two. if there are more than two or even could be, then there is nothing Yes. They know. They...do not. This is a serious thread, correct? And not a serious thread in the sense that we seek to game the rules of the board to troll the members of the board. That's not what's happening here, am I correct?
Correct me, please...if I am wrong.
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