(June 12, 2021 at 10:30 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(June 12, 2021 at 10:19 pm)JohnJubinsky Wrote: One question in my mind about the definition of god that you are using is that if god lacked nothing then why did it desire to create the universe instead of just existing in perfection?
There are various answers to this, depending on the thinker.
A common explanation is that bonum diffusivum sui -- the Good tends to spread itself. A good which exists for itself is not fully good. Goodness by its nature emanates, or spreads, or overflows itself.
I think we have come to agree on something. You said that the god you are talking about is different from the god of the Bible. I think so too. The god that you are talking about seems to be strictly a power and not a being. The Biblical type god that my disproofs address is a being of male gender who made us in its image (i.e., as beings). However, I still have problems as to your explanation of why your type of god created the universe. That is, it existed an infinite amount of time before creating so it would have had all of the time it needed (i.e., an infinite amount of time) to completely fulfill itself before creating, This would eliminate expansion as the cause of it creating. Additionally, being driven by expansion to create still seems to me to be inconsistent with needing nothing.
Quote:Because of the 1st commandment my definition of a Biblical type god specifies that it freely holds that it should be worshiped.
Here, too there are various replies.
The literal God of the Old Testament is not the same as the God of the theologians or the philosophers. So I'm not talking here about the people who believe in an angry God taking direct action in people's lives.
You're arguing against the literal sola scriptura reading of the Bible, and I agree with you that such a reading doesn't make sense.
And as I mentioned, worship does nothing for God, but is good for the worshippers. Like prayer, it doesn't change God but may change the person praying. A simplified way to think of it is that God is the Good, and worship is a way of focussing your mind on that Good.
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