(June 17, 2021 at 12:23 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(June 15, 2021 at 8:17 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: I think a "maximally good" being would have no free will. It would be forced, by its nature, to only do what is maximally good. No other choice would be possible.
Therefore, the current state of the world is the only possible result of a maximally-good god, or else we must assume that the god is impotent.
You're not the first one to play this little game. "Can God create a stone so heavy he can't lift ?" is a similar kind of objection. Is that the best you can do?
Yours is simply : "Can God be less good than maximally good?"
I mean.. grow up.
I dont see how Happy's criticism does not apply.
One cannot claim the attribute of "all" as in "all powerful" as in "omni" then move the goal posts when it isn't convenient.
Logically speaking the concept of "all powerful" always falls apart.
If this God can't do evil, then you have limited it's power. If it can, then you cannot logically call it all good.
It is moving the goal posts.
This is a mind trap you have fallen for. You unwittingly have put yourself in the position of being a lab rat, a poker chip.
The only reason theists defend their God claims, regardless of label, is that it coincides with their own desires.
If you believe in a God, that is all knowing, and all seeing, and can prevent harm to humans every time, then why does the data not bear that out by human observation? Why do Sunnis and Shiites murder each other? Why do Jews and Muslims murder each other? Why does this "all loving" God let children get cancer? Why does he sit on his hands when innocent children like Polly Klass or Adam Walsh get kidnapped and raped and butchered?
If this alleged being has human's best interest at heart, then it is the biggest selective deadbeat in history.
I think it makes perfect sense to point out one cannot claim "all" if this God cannot create a rock so big even he can't lift it. If he can, he is not "all powerful" if he can't he also not "all powerful".
And I really could care less if you called this alleged being "Allah" or "Yahweh" or "Jesus" or "Thor" or "Zeus s" or "Yoda".
Humans worldwide socialize behind labels of religion, because most youth in the world get sold the beliefs of their parents prior to the ability to formulate adult critical thinking skills. Wanting any "god/GOD/or gods to be real, does not make them real by default. Reality is messy, and not a utopia. Good and bad are not explained by old mythology.