Why I believe in God.

[Mystic]

Yes, knowledge of God's existence has been ingrained in us...by other people throughout the years, not by God.

How do you know it's not ingrained by God? We come across morality from other people, does it mean it's not ingrained in us? Does it mean it's not properly basic? Also people can't make you know God exists as properly basic, at most they can suggest the idea. But to argue it's not ingrained by God as properly basic to many people, you would have to prove either "God doesn't exist" or "If God exists, he would not ingrain us with knowledge of himself". Both of these I don't think can be proven.

Anybody with a sane mind understands that killing is wrong. Is this really debatable?

It's obvious to you, because your untainted with the factors that lead others to believe killing people whom leave Islam is right. Most Muslim scholars teach that killing apostates is right, and their minds are sane.
The point I'm making is that you can have properly basic knowledge, not just belief, even if others doubt that knowledge or deny it. It can also be the case that the people whom deny it can know it's wrong, if they learn to question themselves, and if they really deep down inside know.

So the point I was making was that a fact can be obvious to someone and properly basic, yet someone else can disbelieve in that knowledge that is properly basic.

So it can be that most people believe in God in a way they feel they just know he exists in a properly basic way, without inference, and it doesn't matter if others don't feel like that way, because properly basic knowledge can be suppressed due to various factors (perhaps hearing that one needs inferential evidence to know God exists is a significant factor) just like killing apostates being wrong is suppressed by many Muslims due to various factors (belief in authority of hadiths being a huge factor).

You can talk to ten different believers and get ten different versions of what God is and what he's all about. Who's right?

Well they all agree that he is Ultimate Greatness, whatever Ultimate Greatness maybe. Now just as you may differ with someone on a moral issue or what is great, doesn't make morality and greatness all subjective with no objective way of knowing the truth of it, the same is true of Ultimate Greatness. If we concede to greatness, then we can have positive knowledge of Ultimate Greatness and Ultimate Morality. This is true unless you make knowledge of greatness and morality all subjective, in which case, you deny morality and greatness being real.

Says who? Just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it didn't happen. We're talking about changes over millions of years not a few weeks.

I don't think this an argument of ignorance, but through knowledge of what we know consciousness is. There has to be a step where consciousness appears out of non-consciousness, but it's to complex of a step to happen in transition step. It doesn't matter how much years you give, natural selection is not leading towards consciousness out of non-conscious, there is no process leading it.

There you go again. Those that don't want evolution to be true will focus on the smallest of details and claim that they don't see how this can happen therefore is must not be true. Evolution isn't perfect and scientists never have claimed it is. Do you think scientists are so stupid as to overlook the simple facts regarding this process?

I'm not calling anyone stupid but I don't think arguing from authority proves what I said was wrong. Before even something moves on the side that it is growing towards a wing, there has to be many mutations guided by natural selection, but this is not going to happen, because it's not advantageous. There is nothing beneficial of something sticking out of the side that does nothing. And 1/999th of a butterlfy wing is not really advantageous over a 1/1001 of a butterfly wing, so hence there is a problem, it's not heading towards a wing by natural selection.

The universe may have existed in one form or another before point zero.

I'm not referring to big bang theory, I rather discussed infinite regression is not possible (stated two reasons) and said thus time must be finite. At point zero, before time began, I don't think a material existence could have caused time.

What do you think God make the materials out of? Where did he get them from?

Well he can cause existence from his own existence, without losing any of his existence. For all I know, the true existence is spiritual, and we live in a matrix like world, where only conscioussness exists, and material and space is just through experience.

Why would God create the world and then not get involved anymore as if he didn't care? Since he knew how it would turn out...what's the purpose?

Why God doesn't communicate and send guidance is counter intuitive, that is why I think most people whom believe in God are inclined to believe in a religion. However I have reasons for this, I'm going to be putting in the other thread about arguments against deism and for religion.