(November 10, 2011 at 7:03 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:(November 9, 2011 at 3:34 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Put simply, we don't know.Which is a factually wrong statement. We know a lot about how the brain works, and how it often doesn't work. Electroencephalography is proof of this.
Its all physical. Brain chemistry. Electrical signals. We're just bags of egocentric meat Moros, nothing more.
Bullfucking shit. He asked for, and I quote, "the processes in the brain which give rise to consciousness. "
We know there are processes. We know they interact.
That is all we know.
We do not have a cognitive model. We do not have objective measures of consciousness. We do not have cross species models of consciousness.
You're flat out wrong, for misinterpreting the scope of Mal's question and then attempting to snipe me. I've said nothing against the physical processes, and, in fact, hinted at my belief that there is only the physical.
Want to educate me on how I possibly didn't answer his question?
Because I sure as hell see a lack of definitive modeling -- one of the first applications of knowledge of the processes that give rise to consciousness.
"Know[ing] a lot how the brain works" is a shit answer when there are plenty of things we do not know, are not aware of and lack the information to model, to that which we do know but lack the appropriate materials and understanding to model them accordingly.
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