RE: Benevolent Creator God?
August 10, 2021 at 2:13 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2021 at 2:24 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 9, 2021 at 4:09 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(August 9, 2021 at 3:43 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You can find them all for yourself.
I'm pointing out that your contention that in order to explain your magic book a person must either believe in fairies or believe that big mo got a bunch of shit right by accident - is false on it's face.
The contents of myth and legend can be accurate and inaccurate, but they're never accidental, and they have nothing to do with fairies. Magic book didn't accidentally get the details of life wrong, or right. It actively and intentionally promoted those ideas the authors believed to be right, wherever they found them - even when they were, in fact, wrong.
An appeal to absurdity and incredulity works better in the opposite direction. If magic book is the word of a god, is that god an idiot? Does the author of creation not understand creation? Sounds ridiculous, right? That in order to believe that magic book is the word of a god you might have to accept a god who doesn't get things right. That to believe big mo's every utterance is just true, you might have to accept that you follow the lunatic rambling of a 6th century warlord.
Until you provide some specific verse which contains, beyond any reasonable doubt, an error, you don't have much to work with. You seem to forget that we are assuming God's existence here. If we are, then God intervening and sending a message is no longer an unlikely scenario, it's very likely, maybe even logically forced, that a God would communicate a message to someone at some point in history. Because, if not, then leaving humanity astray would be a threat to many properties(benevolence, justness) of God that we assumed exists.
Are either of us pretending that it would be at all useful to point out the times your magic book gets something wrong and why? I know for fact that we've already had this discussion, and more than once.
We can assume gods exist all we like, but that won't repair the actual contents of your magic book. It's not actually unlikely that a god never wrote a book, it;s certainly not logically forced that a god ever communicated a message to anybody, and there's no reason to assume that by not writing the contents of your magic book or any magic book god has either "left us astray" or would be responsible for our current state. I point all this out to show that not only are you demonstrably wrong, but that even if we granted these non arguments, magic book is still the flaming garbage heap that it is. It fails on fact, it fails on principle, and it fails on grounds of your own contentions. Magic book has lead us astray and was communicated by no god and god has not intervened in this state of affairs whatsoever.
These are the articles of your faith - not rational products - which is why they make shit rational arguments, just like the last one. So, no, we don't have to believe in either fairies, or that big mo was accidentally right. I can believe that you're indoctrinated and ignorant instead - that's an option for explaining your beliefs about magic books presumed infallibility. Don't you think? My goal isn't to argue you out of your beliefs, it's to argue you out of floating trash arguments exclusively. One presumes, that for your very true and not at all silly religion, theres something approahing a rational belief behind it all, or is it just superstition and sloppy thinking all the way down?
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