Global warming: Are we doomed? A poll.

[onlinebiker]

You just don' t fucking get it.

The shit stored there will be highly radioactive LONG after the reactor is decommissioned - like 10,000 years and Entergy (the current owners - it was sold in 2007) isbankrupt and non- exustance.....


The storage facility MIGHT last 50 years after it is abandoned - but probably not even that. Radiation does weird shit to materials - think rust on steroids....The containment facility the shit is in simply not designed or intended for long term storage.... It also continues to accumulate.

NIMBYISM does play into building long term storage - but it is minor. Ever heard of imminent domain? If we want to put a nuclear disposal site under your house the government can do it. Not a problem.


What IS a problem is moving the shit.

How are you going to do that - and make it 99.99999% safe? How much firepower are you going to provide to prevent terrorists from stealing it - or just blowing it up to form a monster dirty bomb?

Ever hear of traffic accidents? Give it time - and it WILL happen. I waited for years to see a semi load of fireworks go off - and we got one a fejw years back on I-94. Pretty spectacular.

They' re nervous enough about that with the shit sitting where it is.

I'm not making light of your points, OLB, they are all valid, but you seem misinformed, or just ignorant.

I don't know what you think is so difficult to comprehend.  There are numerous design plans to make it safe for long term storage.  Current fission technologies can even recycle some of that material into a more stable form.  The plans to store it are in locations where no one will be going.  Of course this precludes the disruption of the locations by things like meteor strikes or massive earthquakes or volcanoes.  Of course those things have a way of destroying life on a massive scale anyway.  But yes, of course long term considerations are included.

There have been several plans to store the material under mountains and such but the states have fought it hard.  Perhaps the feds could force a state to take it but maybe they are not willing to accept the political fallout; I don't really know.  I also don't know why you are ranting about this but seem so uninformed.  I remember reading about all of this stuff when I was a teenager, 40 year ago!  I subscribed to several scientific journals and this wasn't news even then.

I'm also not ignoring your argument about moving the waste, but you are being very selective here.  We move nuclear material around all the time; how do you think it gets to the plants???  We move all sorts of dangerous stuff by plane, train, automobile and ship all the freakin time.  Where's your outrage about that?  By volume or mass, the danger of petroleum spills/explosions is far greater than nuclear because we move/handle so damn much of it.  And we lose control of it a lot, but it rarely makes the news unless it's big enough to fill the Gulf of Mexico.  If it were possible, I'd say we shouldn't use any form of energy that causes long lasting problems and that would include fossil fuels and nuclear fission.  But we live in reality and our current global civilization demands energy.  At present we can only supply a small amount of that energy through safe, renewable sources.  My position on this is both rational and reasonable.  We are and should be maximizing safe forms of energy while filling the needs with what we have while better technologies are being developed.  Nuclear fission is objectively safer than fossil fuels.  Pretty much every hippie but you now understands that.  And don't even get me started on environmentalism.  Society currently does so many things foolishly that could be done cleaner, more efficiently and better, but political will and ignorance prevents it.

If you are truly concerned about things like dirty bombs then I suggest you don't allow yourself to even think about all the other counties that have nuclear plants and weapons, especially the really crappy ones like Russia and India.  Anyone willing and interested in doing this would find it far easier to steal material from those countries.

Bullshit.

If it was cheap, easy and safe to store the waste long term THEY WOULD ALREADY BE DOING IT.


They are not. 

The energy companies will just leave it for your grandkids to clean up.

You think the' re going to spend THEIR money doing it?

Jesus are you gullible.