(September 23, 2021 at 5:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(September 23, 2021 at 5:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Exactly my point. Back then, his mental masturbation was merely that. He got lucky with some of his good ideas and I give him credit for those.
But nobody today can, or should claim he had any modern understanding of science. And that is why I hate when I run into people who argue that philosophy is on par with modern science.
I agree he was not an "experimentalist". And that is my point. But even today, just like arguing with Star Trek fans, I get blasted for telling people that Gene Roddenberry did not invent the cell phone.
Plato most certainly advanced western civilization. But his idea of "essence" still is causing problems in humanity in chasing the idea of perfection. If you want to call that philosophy, fine, but it was a bad postulation in any case.
No, that wasn’t your point. Since Plato didn’t muck about with science, his lack of things like control groups is immaterial. This is kind of like criticizing a 6th century farmer for not having access to an arc welder.
Boru
You keep missing my point. I AGREE, he was not an experimentalist. You keep missing my point. Gene Roddenberry inspired science for sure, I will not deny that. But he also DID NOT invent microwave technology that lead to the cell phone.
If you agree that the farmer cannot claim modern farming for not having access to an arc welder, then why are you disagreeing with me?
We are not disagreeing.
Even in ancient mythology worldwide, in multiple religions, people postulated stories of humans flying like birds. In modern times, it did turn out that humans could put tons of metal in the air with 300 or more humans in the air at 40,000 feet. But that speculation in antiquity will never mean in reality, that a human can magically in a nanosecond become a passenger jet by sprinkling pixy dust on anything.
Point is, that was then, this is now.
