Do Chairs Exist?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

No, that wasn’t your point. Since Plato didn’t muck about with science, his lack of things like control groups is immaterial. This is kind of like criticizing a 6th century farmer for not having access to an arc welder.

Boru

You keep missing my point. I AGREE, he was not an experimentalist. You keep missing my point. Gene Roddenberry inspired science for sure, I will not deny that. But he also DID NOT invent microwave technology that lead to the cell phone.

If you agree that the farmer cannot claim modern farming for not having access to an arc welder, then why are you disagreeing with me?

We are not disagreeing.

Even in ancient mythology worldwide, in multiple religions, people postulated stories of humans flying like birds. In modern times, it did turn out that humans could put tons of metal in the air with 300 or more humans in the air at 40,000 feet. But that speculation in antiquity will never mean in reality, that a human can magically in a nanosecond become a passenger jet by sprinkling pixy dust on anything.

Point is, that was then, this is now.

We are disagreeing, you just don’t understand the issue. You keep casting aspersions on Plato for not using scientific methodology, but persist in ignoring the fact that Plato wasn’t a scientist. You also clearly misunderstood my farmer/welder example.

You seem intransigently wedded to blaming non-scientists for not being scientists. Plato wasn’t, never claimed to be, and never tried to be a scientist. Modern Neo-platonic philosophers don’t claim that Plato was a scientist, so what difference does it make that he didn’t have access to control groups and peer review?

Plato is perfectly criticizable for a lot of things, but you’re criticizing him for the wrong things.

Boru