(November 10, 2011 at 6:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: And again, you're substituting your beliefs for the definition of "right" and "wrong".
Nope, I am using the definitions of right and wrong that God uses since it is how His word defines the two terms.
Quote: I'll say this again, you've told us that god doesn't like it, not why it is "wrong". If this were actually the definition of right and wrong then the two concepts are arbitrary, whatever god decided to be right would have been right, including adultery.
Yes, whatever God says is right is right by definition; whatever God declares to be wrong is wrong.
Quote: That's subjective moral authority, not objective moral authority.
Nope, it’s objective because God is not whimsical, His thoughts and actions directly result from His unchanging and perfect character.
Quote: Why should I accept his ideas of subjective moral authority as ultimate or final instead of the Nazis, who you so recently invoked?
Because God owns you, the Nazis didn’t.
(November 12, 2011 at 11:26 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote: The very definition of subjectivity.
Subjectivity becomes objectivity if the mind we are dealing with is perfect and infallible. God’s mind is such a mind because it is consistent with His character.
Quote: Before you interject about how fookin brilliant and perfect the invisible one is; why did he place coveting your neighbors ass (presumably their equine rather than their botty), a more pressing moral issue than slavery?
Coveting is a form of idolatry which is a crime against God Himself; slavery was a necessary social structure of the day that many people used to survive and was a “man against man” crime. The problem is Americans view slavery from the lenses of American slavery which was not at all similar to the form of servant-hood found in the Old Testament.
Quote: Apparently your absolute authority (knowing everything for all time of course) deemed this so important he authored that bit personally in stone and left slavery unmentioned.
What makes you think that the Ten Commandments were all the Bible has to say about morality? This is a moot issue though since atheists like Rhythm have already admitted that slavery would have been morally acceptable back then because the majority of people thought it was.
(November 12, 2011 at 3:51 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: It's still subjective by definition.
Not really, but I will play along.
Quote: If we say X is good because GodWillsIt, we are following rules set by another being's judgment, however wise or good that being is.
That’s only subjective if that being is prone to error or whimsical, God is neither so it is a form of objectivism. Not really sure what your point is though, even if it were a form of subjectivism, Christians have a subjective standard for morality (God) that cannot error, you guys have a subjective standard of morality (mankind) that is prone to error quite often. We still win.
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Ironically, that very commandment commands us not to covet our neighbor's slave.
I don’t see the word slave anywhere in that commandment.
“17(A) "You shall not covet(B) your neighbor’s house;© you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s." Exodus 20:17 (ESV)
Quote: That very commandment offers tacit approval of the institution of slavery. To regulate something is to offer tacit approval of that thing's existence.
According to whom? Given your various and often contradictory definitions of morality, slavery would not even be morally wrong, so I am not sure what your issue is here.
