(November 16, 2011 at 8:52 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Sounds like an infallible God’s commands to me.Circular reasoning. "We know that Yahweh is infallible because he's infallible"
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Quote:Morality applies to mankind, it is decided by a perfect being outside of mankind who owns all of mankind; therefore it is objective from man’s perspective. Therefore, objective morality does exist because of God’s decrees.
I must have missed the part of the definitions that say subjective can be objective from another point of view.
-Not one of the standard fallacious apologetic arguments but I'll take a drink anyway.
Quote:Nope, it’s defining a term the way scripture defines it.
"It's true because the Bible says so."
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Quote:Pretty lame straw man really. Yahweh is good because He is the very standard we measure goodness by, goodness is one of His attributes.
Funny, I think that's exactly what I said. "You know that Yahweh is good because he's good and so we know that we can measure goodness by Yahweh because Yahweh is good."
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Quote:“That meter stick can’t be a meter because to say it is a meter is being circular!” “No, it’s a meter because it is the actual standard we use to measure what a meter is” No circularity needed.
Actually, the meter stick is a meter long because the manufacturer made it so. If we are in doubt, say by mistake at the manufacturing plant, then we'd need to independently verify the length.
Quote:Well we already talked about how man does not decide morality but rather discovers it through God’s revelation, so we resolved that issue already.
God is still a being. A being, no matter how powerful, can't make up arbitrary rules and declare them "objective".
Quote:It is objective from the perspective of the Christian. Jewish purity laws changed, but the concepts of morality that are based upon parts of God’s character do not change.
"That's the OT. It doesn't count."
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Quote:I never saw the word property in the verse, more so a person should not covet the life their neighbor has.
Abuse of the ad hoc hypothesis to protect a cherished a prior belief from being disproved.
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Quote:So morality is decided by majority opinion?
Argumentum ad neusem. Apologist ignores every point that was made to disprove their argument and simply starts over again.
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Quote:Also, according to your very own appeal to majority rule you made above, back when the majority of people felt slavery was not morally wrong it would not have been…according to you that is of course.
Straw man
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Quote:If your wife wants to join the conversation and get run through just like you always do he is more than welcome to do so.
She doesn't have my patience for dealing with the willfully ignorant. Sorry.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
