New religion

[mayor of simpleton]

Evolution is a fact. Get over it and be proud to be an African ape.

I am sure that you can prove that?

Perhaps it would be prudent here to point out that "evolution" is not a reference to mankind "evolving" from ape, but rather a "buzz word" for the deterministic system of accumulation/adaptation.

In other words, over the course of time determining factors influence and shape (adapt) actions/events that these factors predicate. These "new" factors in turn influence the next set of actions/events, as well as refine our perspective and understanding of previous determining factors. Perhaps one could refer to this as a "butterfly effect".

Now... it is important here not to confuse this with fatalism. We are only speaking of factors that predicate current and future actions and events... these factors do not "fate" an event to unfold as it has.

If this is not clear, perhaps this article by Alan White might be of help. http://www.manitowoc.uwc.edu/staff/awhite/freewill.htm

This is not a system of belief, but rather how space/time experiences functions. There are no particular morals, ethics, agendas, intentions wishes, desires or other such issues involved here. Spacetime simply moves on. Events and actions occur, that is are perceived. These sitimuli are brought along a baggage to the next stimuli. These events and actions are part of the experience and thus have an effect/affect on all other future experiences; thus an adaption via the previous experiences does occur.

Perhaps beating a dead hose here, but a folly is indeed fun, well maybe...

If you wish to take this back to the "Big Bang", this is fine... that is indeed possible, but I'd personally question why anyone would really try to bother... some people have other hobbies than I do...

Now if you go to the absurdity of questioning what was "before the Big Bang" or "where did the Big Bang occur"... well we have a bit of a problem here.

Dig this...

As difficult as it is to conceive, space/time have their 'beginning' with the 'Big Bang'. To ask 'where' it occurred is somehow inappropriate seeing that there was no 'where' in the sense that we conceive 'where' as our 'where' is a direct product of space/time, which was what had it's 'beginning' with the event itself. I sort of highlight the 'beginning' as such because it is a temporal indication founded in our understanding of space/time (what was the result ex post facto).

The problem here is that all of our understanding is subject to our experience of space/time. The questions of where before where, as well as the 'before' before 'before' need to come from outside of our space/time experience. As I can (sort of) grasp it, the explanation for such an event must seem very incoherent to our understanding as it must indeed be something no included in our experience. (This does indeed include our anthropomorphic proxy of ego we defind to be god; thus the appeal to this assumed deity to be the catalyst is a product of convenient wishful intuitive thinking and not any empirical process... thus my ignostic atheist position regarding deism or pantheism... occham's razor allows me to shave off this as a redundancy.)

This is just a suggestion, but I tend to find it better when I do not attempt to make the universe limited to my personal understanding of language. This limitation being that my understanding of language is indeed a part of this space/time and what we are asking is... (sorry I cannot describe it any better than "...")

Accumulation/adaptation is evident in all aspects of life. Whether we are speaking of biology, languages, technologies or even going to your local fitness center, input will indeed effect/affect output. The new output will continue this process of accumulation and pending adaptation, included refining the understanding and awareness of what was seen in the input.

As for the apes to mankind evolution... this is not an issue to be settled in a debate of theology or philosophy. It is an issue to be resolved by scientists involved in the field of gentics.

Is "evolution" (accumulation /adaptation) a fact? YES.

Meow!

GREG