RE: Explanation Required by the 12 guys? + the secret.
December 13, 2021 at 2:25 am
(This post was last modified: December 13, 2021 at 2:27 am by Ferrocyanide.)
(December 12, 2021 at 7:55 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: As a nut who used to post here would explain..one of the only lucid thoughts he had...you think that god loves everyone (or is supposed to, more accurately) because it's part of a cultural tradition - not because the abrahamic god loves everyone. Neither the contents of magic book nor the state of the world would bare out the belief in a gods all encompassing love.If that person thinks that the jewish god does not love everyone, I have no problem with that. If we want to believe that it is part of the jewish god’s plan to allow humans to distort his book, I have no problem with that.
My view of it is that each christian is allowed to be an author, to form his own stories, just like the various people who authored the stories in the Bible, told the story their own way.
This is all fantasy. You can make your god be exactly as you like so that the natural world that you observe matches up with your personalized version of the Bible.
So, we can ask the christian the obvious questions, the questions that have been asked a lot of times “Why does the jewish god allow suffering?”
This gives him the opportunity to answer:
“It is part of his plan.”
“Because Adam and Eve brought evil into this world and god left us.”
“It doesn’t matter if you suffer. It is for a finite time. You are going to get eternal good feelings later.”
You can ask him, if he is omnipotent, than why not just save the people he wants.
He might say
“Because a blood sacrifice is required and it has to be a perfect person that gets sacrificed.”
So, the pattern that we can observe here is
When a question is posed, give the answer “because that’s the way god wants to do it.”
I could ask, why does god step on a banana peel and slip and fall down? Isn’t he omniscient?
The theist could answer “Just because he is omniscient, doesn’t mean that it isn’t god’s plan to step on the banana peel.”
Quote:As to whether there would be better ways to "save the world"..yeah, sure, and better than providing evidence..but that's not it's jam. It's a god, maybe it could (and maybe it couldn't) just save the world instead of tell bedtime stories...but for whatever reason, that's what it did.
Like you said “That’s what it did”. It matches up with:
When a question is posed, give the answer “because that’s the way god wants to do it.”
Quote:Leading us right back to the initial question of what would be bizarre for a god to have as an attitude...and we have to remember we're asking that of a god that likes the smell of burnt flesh as offering.
Apparently, there is nothing bizarre from the POV of the christian. Everything is acceptable, including, murders, genocides, racism, misogyny, slavery. Also, the christian will claim there is no racism, , misogyny, slavery in the Bible and also that the murders and genocides sanctioned by the jewish god is moral.
Quote:Then we get along to the others. Maybe god didn't care that people would distort it's bedtime stories, or maybe it knew that humans would always distort it's bedtimes stories, and maybe it does care but it can't do anything about it. What would the evidence suggest? Particularly with regards to christian mythology, the story itself isn't the first thing god supposedly made that began to degrade and fall just about immediately, eh? Couldn't do gardens right, fucked it up with the first people.
I suppose the question we can pose is if the jewish god has the ability to create infinite universes, is it possible that in one of these universes, there is a planet with a male and female pair who happen to not eat from the magic tree?
If yes, then why did the jewish god chose to create universes where the male and female par eat the fruit?
I suppose the christian can answer.... “because that’s the way god wants to do it.”
It’s not that their answer is wrong.
The goal of the conversation is to have the conversation.
Maybe they will realize that their answer is pretty empty. Maybe they won’t.
You can ask the christian, “Well, why does god choose to step on a banana peel?”
Their answer seems to be often.
“We don’t know. He chooses not to tell us. It’s part of his secret plan.”