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Explanation Required by the 12 guys? + the secret.
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RE: Explanation Required by the 12 guys? + the secret.
(December 19, 2021 at 1:20 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(December 7, 2021 at 12:30 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: The parable section starts at 13:24 up to 13:30
Jesus tells that parable to people and Jesus sends the people away.
13:36 says that the Jesus goes into a house and the 12 guys come into the house and ask him: Can you explain to us that story?

The story seems pretty straightforward to me.
What are the 12 guys having difficulty with?

Also, if we read

So, shouldn’t the 12 guys automatically understand the secret of Matthew 13:24?
The other problem is that someone decided to document the explanation @ 13:37 and here we are. The data is not encrypted. We are all reading the secret.

The apostles and disciples of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST were / are human not unlike other human beings – we all having finite understanding! So, it is not unusual for us not to understand something ab initio, especially spiritual matters - in considering the spiritual condition of mankind since the fall and separation from the Almighty – but GOD has declared that He will teach all His own / all He saves!

Personally, I find the disciples to be dimwitted.
The parable at Matthew 13:24, as told by Jesus, and others (that are also told by Jesus) as well, are quite understandable and yet, the disciples are having a hard time deciphering it.
Mercyvessel, are you having a hard time understanding them?

Also, the disciples don’t ask too many questions.
Doesn’t the jewish population have curious people? Don’t they have scientists, mathematicians, philosophers, engineers who are curious about the world around them?

The son of god shows up and nobody asks any advanced questions.

Quote:It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.” – John 6:45


I would be happy to ask questions but Jesus has been dead for a long time.
Sure, there is the case of Mohammed of the 7 th century, Joseph Smith of the 19 th century who supposedly talk to Jesus or one of his friends, but once again, there isn’t anything of value offered.
It’s just a set of mostly unverifiable claims.
The claims that can be verified, such as Jesus claiming that the mustard plant’s seed is the smallest is wrong. His claim that it grows into a tree and birds nest in it seems wrong to me.

Quote:The Lord JESUS is Wisdom! How then can the created purport to be wiser than the Creator? The LOGOS! (in reading some of the responses to your initial post).  

“For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” – Luke 4:11 – “But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” – James 4:6



I know that the Jesus/jewish god combo consider themselves to be super geniuses.
Burger King says that they make great hamburgers.
These are claims. We need to perform a taste test.

Quote:After that, He poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded. Then He came to Simon Peter. And Peter said to Him, “Lord, are You washing my feet?” Jesus answered and said to him, “What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will know after this.” Peter said to Him, “You shall never wash my feet!” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.” - John 13: 5-8


I think that is a beautiful story.
Unfortunately, I don’t have the tools to verify it.


Quote:“Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.” - John 14: 8-11

I think that is a beautiful story.
It looks like Jesus is talking about about trust. I noticed that Jesus used the word “believe” 3 times.


Quote:The Lord JESUS met two of his disciples on the road to Emmaus – the eyes of the two were “restrained” (verse 16), until the Lord JESUS opened them to know (verses 25-27 and verses 30-31 of Luke chapter 24)


I think that is a beautiful story.

Quote:Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.  But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took it and ate in their presence. Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.” – Luke 24:36-45


Man, these guys are always terrified and frightened.
The issue with belief is raised again.
So, Jesus is a ghost and asks them to touch his hands and feet.
Ghost Jesus eats some fish and honeycomb.

So, what did these guys comprehend? What is it that they did not understand before and now, they understand.
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RE: Explanation Required by the 12 guys? + the secret. - by Ferrocyanide - December 20, 2021 at 12:58 am

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