RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
December 22, 2021 at 2:36 pm
(This post was last modified: December 22, 2021 at 2:41 pm by WinterHold.)
(December 22, 2021 at 11:58 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(December 22, 2021 at 6:08 am)WinterHold Wrote: Muslims expanded when they followed the "Quran" only; after they began believing in the books of Hadith their downfall started, civil wars ravaged the Islamic realm.
Yeah, the ummah used swords for that, not magic book. Predictably, the ummah collapsed when it's ability to wage war collapsed. It didn't have anything to do with thinking that washing your hands a particular way was the right way because somebody overheard big mo say so. As to the internecine warfare between schismatic muslims..that was there from day one - a dispute over a claim to the throne, as always.
Your own personal and imaginary past, even if it were true, couldn't support your overall claim at any rate..unless you're telling us that you only believe in religious texts when that state is expanding militarily having suppressed or eliminated all internal malcontents.......? Is that, really, why you think hadith are false? Because muslims started losing? Anywho... Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. I don't think that's how it went down...but it wouldn't make hadith any more or less true or false if they were the reason history collapsed from your islamist point of view.
There's alot of ink spilt, in mere reality, about how a society that can successfully export what would otherwise be it's internal violence benefits from the uneasy peace between folks who would kill each other if they ran out of other people to kill..or just couldn't reach those other people anymore, for whatever reason. In a sense, rapidly expanding cultures are victims of their own success. They need to keep expanding, because the effort spent in ending others will be spent, whether in a quest for territory from your neighbor states, or territory within your borders between criminal gangs (or, in your case, tribal warlords - if there's a difference).
Without a just cause any army will fall; like the U.S army fell in Afghanistan and the Romans before them.
The "Quran" was the just cause early Muslims believed in; when their grandsons switched to Hadith the 'just cause' evaporated, and defeat became eminent.
An army so massive both in manpower & arsenal is only powerful as long as its cause for war is just. Whenever they lose that; they are vanquished. Ask Hitler, Hulagu Khan, hell ask George Bush too, he is still alive.
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As for Islamic factions, their cause is based on demonising a group(s) of people; because that is in the core of Islam to identify a group of beings as evil: "the world has good people and bad people; saints & demons". The Quran gives a specific list to evil people, so it wasn't enough for Islamic factions: they expanded the list massively using the "Hadith" books, and whomever belongs to any list the faction believes in is demonised.
Thus; if you were a Shiite Fatimid Caliph wanting to wage war on Iraq to control the Euphrates, then put Iraqies in the list of "demonised" folks, by ordering your religious schools to issue a Fatwa against them. Mobilise armies then invade.
Result ? massive civil wars in the Islamic realm.