So, what you're telling us, is that you're a shitty muslim who mines magic book for reasons to be lazy? I get it, praying alot would be inconvenient.....and you wouldn't want to think that you've been fucking it up your whole life because you're a lazy prayer.

Schism time.

(December 21, 2021 at 5:22 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: So, what you're telling us, is that you're a shitty muslim who mines magic book for reasons to be lazy?  I get it, praying alot would be inconvenient.....and you wouldn't want to think that you've been fucking it up your whole life because you're a lazy prayer.  

Schism time.

I only follow the word of God; when God stops I stop.
So, I only follow 604 pages of the Quran. I'm not the one who mines for "extra burdens"; but other factions are.

Thus they were defeated and vanquished time after time after time, because they abandoned God's word and followed another's.

(December 22, 2021 at 5:23 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(December 21, 2021 at 5:22 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: So, what you're telling us, is that you're a shitty muslim who mines magic book for reasons to be lazy?  I get it, praying alot would be inconvenient.....and you wouldn't want to think that you've been fucking it up your whole life because you're a lazy prayer.  

Schism time.

I only follow the word of God; when God stops I stop.
So, I only follow 604 pages of the Quran. I'm not the one who mines for "extra burdens"; but other factions are.

Thus they were defeated and vanquished time after time after time, because they abandoned God's word and followed another's.

I have a feeling that any 'vanquishing' had less to do with God's word than you imagine.

Boru

(December 22, 2021 at 5:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 22, 2021 at 5:23 am)WinterHold Wrote: I only follow the word of God; when God stops I stop.
So, I only follow 604 pages of the Quran. I'm not the one who mines for "extra burdens"; but other factions are.

Thus they were defeated and vanquished time after time after time, because they abandoned God's word and followed another's.

I have a feeling that any 'vanquishing' had less to do with God's word than you imagine.

Boru

Muslims expanded when they followed the "Quran" only; after they began believing in the books of Hadith their downfall started, civil wars ravaged the Islamic realm.

(December 22, 2021 at 6:08 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(December 22, 2021 at 5:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I have a feeling that any 'vanquishing' had less to do with God's word than you imagine.

Boru

Muslims expanded when they followed the "Quran" only; after they began believing in the books of Hadith their downfall started, civil wars ravaged the Islamic realm.

Boru

(December 22, 2021 at 5:23 am)WinterHold Wrote: I only follow the word of God; when God stops I stop.

What a good little drone you are.  

(December 22, 2021 at 6:08 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(December 22, 2021 at 5:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I have a feeling that any 'vanquishing' had less to do with God's word than you imagine.

Boru

Muslims expanded when they followed the "Quran" only; after they began believing in the books of Hadith their downfall started, civil wars ravaged the Islamic realm.

Yeah, the ummah used swords for that, not magic book.  Predictably, the ummah collapsed when it's ability to wage war collapsed. It didn't have anything to do with thinking that washing your hands a particular way was the right way because somebody overheard big mo say so. As to the internecine warfare between schismatic muslims..that was there from day one - a dispute over a claim to the throne, as always.

Your own personal and imaginary past, even if it were true, couldn't support your overall claim at any rate..unless you're telling us that you only believe in religious texts when that state is expanding militarily having suppressed or eliminated all internal malcontents.......? Is that, really, why you think hadith are false? Because muslims started losing? Anywho... Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. I don't think that's how it went down...but it wouldn't make hadith any more or less true or false if they were the reason history collapsed from your islamist point of view.

There's alot of ink spilt, in mere reality, about how a society that can successfully export what would otherwise be it's internal violence benefits from the uneasy peace between folks who would kill each other if they ran out of other people to kill..or just couldn't reach those other people anymore, for whatever reason. In a sense, rapidly expanding cultures are victims of their own success. They need to keep expanding, because the effort spent in ending others will be spent, whether in a quest for territory from your neighbor states, or territory within your borders between criminal gangs (or, in your case, tribal warlords - if there's a difference).

(December 21, 2021 at 11:11 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: For what it's worth, I think Quranism is a step in a better direction. Many of the worst parts of Islamism come from Hadiths, like the age of Muhammed's wife Aisha

Aisha wasn't technically a child when she was 9, how many times should we repeat that? In some US states nowadays, it's technically possible to marry at the age of 12, and we don't see atheists complaining a lot about that.

(December 21, 2021 at 1:04 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The Hadith contains hideous parts belonging to some sick mentalities that ruled the Ummah; Muslims forget that only 500 years ago the world was so different and Islamic empires had civil wars; each with their own religious doctrines claiming to be "Islamic".

Sunnis : pray 5 times a day

Shia' : pray 5 times a day

Ahmadi : pray 5 times a day

Ibadi : pray 5 times a day

Mu'tazila : pray 5 times a day

Kharijite : pray 5 times a day

Winterhold : I pray 3 times a day because I only rely on the Qur'an, I am the only Muslim in the world who figured this out, and everybody else follows some sick mentalities that ruled the Ummah. The sects of the Ummah went to war, therefore they are wrong. I am also a pathetic loser and can't properly defend controversial hadiths that sometimes irritate non-Muslims, I therefore decided to toss the entirety of the Hadith corpus to avoid any headache.

@WinterHold, you're putting yourself outside the Ummah. In any case, you should read more about the Dunning-Kruger effect, being aware of it might help you escape your delusion.

Being unable to determine the daily number of prayers is a devastating blow to your understanding of Islam. You're literally the only person in the universe who prays 3 times a day because you think you're too grandiose to follow Muslim scholars. And because of that, you should be more concerned about the possibility that you are pathetic loon, than about armed conflicts in the ME you clearly don't understand anything about.

I am also asking you, kindly, to stop pretending complete assurance about whatever you decide to blurt out about Islam, and deal with the reality that you got it all wrong your entire life.

It’s Gandalf, I tells ya…Gandalf!!

Boru

(December 22, 2021 at 2:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s Gandalf, I tells ya…Gandalf!!

Boru

Even in the context of a fictional story, saying that there are, for example, four Horcruxes that Voldemort used, when everybody else says there are seven (based on good arguments), should really raise eyebrows.