RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
December 23, 2021 at 8:59 am
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2021 at 9:14 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 22, 2021 at 2:36 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Without a just cause any army will fall; like the U.S army fell in Afghanistan and the Romans before them.Imma stop you right there. You don't know the first thing about armed conflict, justice has nothing to do with who wins, and I doubt that your fellow muslims (past and present) would appreciate your characterization of them all being idol worshippers...bowing down and killing other people and their fellow believers...over a book, rather than believers in a god - though I enjoy it very much.
The "Quran" was the just cause early Muslims believed in; when their grandsons switched to Hadith the 'just cause' evaporated, and defeat became eminent.
It's not as if you think america is just for example..and yet you might notice that this is the american century? It's not that you think islam is unjust, as another, but you've obviously realized that the ummah got their shit pushed in. Would your appraisal of america change if we'd just annihilated the afghan people and declared the country a territory, you know..winning? Would your appraisal of isis change if they'd managed to hold onto their caliphate?
Quote:--Ever occur to you that when magic book demonizes some group of people that's just as poorly thought out? I mean, you're sitting here telling us that magic book and hadith both do a thing and that the thing is a bad thing, and that's part of why you believe in one.... but not the other?
As for Islamic factions, their cause is based on demonising a group(s) of people; because that is in the core of Islam to identify a group of beings as evil: "the world has good people and bad people; saints & demons". The Quran gives a specific list to evil people, so it wasn't enough for Islamic factions: they expanded the list massively using the "Hadith" books, and whomever belongs to any list the faction believes in is demonised.
Thus; if you were a Shiite Fatimid Caliph wanting to wage war on Iraq to control the Euphrates, then put Iraqies in the list of "demonised" folks, by ordering your religious schools to issue a Fatwa against them. Mobilise armies then invade.
Result ? massive civil wars in the Islamic realm.
(December 22, 2021 at 2:58 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Yes, because the legal age of marriage depends on the social context. If, somewhere in the US, it's socially acceptable to marry a 12 years old girl, it shouldn't be surprising that, in other social contexts, it was acceptable to marry a 9y old.
Both things surprise people who know it's not exactly great for some middle age man to boink a nine year old girl..or a twelve year old girl. Which might explain why the us has a whole bunch of laws meant to prevent child marriages.
-but go ahead and tell us more about how atheists are bastards because they point out big mo molested a child. If islam requires you to go to bat for child predators, that's just another thing that islam fucked up, and why islamists are, themselves, fucked up. Fighting the good fight for kiddy diddlers.
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