That Gay Thread

[Irreligious Atheist]

What about them? When Phelps was referring to fairness, his example was performance enhancing drugs. Just because someone is brighter than me, that doesn't mean I should get to cheat on a test to make things 'fairer' and to even the playing field, so Michael Phelps' point made perfect sense. We all play by the same rules when taking a test, and sports is something that's supposed to have the same principle behind it. Of course Michael Phelps was born to be the best. A freak of nature never seen before. Of course things are not 'fair' in that sense, and no one is arguing for some absurd notion of absolute fairness where everyone in a race is the exact same and just as good as each other so things are entirely fair. That is a silly argument, and pointing out that Phelps was born better than everyone else, is not a reasonable justification for throwing out all divisions based on sex or all weight classes. These things exist for a reason. And thankfully many trans people are speaking out against what is happening to sports right now, like trans Olympic champion Caitlyn Jenner and some others I've seen.

If it’s “not fair” for trans women to participate in women’s athletics because of their natural physical advantages, then why is it fair for, say, a biological female who happens to fall naturally outside of, and above the athletic physical abilities of the average biological female to participate in women’s athletics? I’m not making an argument or talking about Michael Phelps. I’m asking you to defend your reasoning.

Because that woman is not cheating like trans women are. Let's take Serena Williams for example. Physical freaks of nature like her are great for the sport. Great for ratings. Serena Williams remains a part of the women's leagues because she's not good enough to play with the men. If you let trans women play with bio women, by that logic, regular old cis men should also get to go against the bio women, because by your logic, it's not cheating if their bodies are just biologically superior, right? Michael Phelps exists and Shaq exists, and they have an unfair advantage against the other men, so therefore by your logic, any man should be allowed to join a women's league, because natural advantage is irrelevant, right? That's where your whole argument falls apart. If you let in trans women, you should have to let in any old cis man as well, and it ceases to be a women's league, and bio women are no longer making money and getting endorsements and scholarships and attention.