RE: Do you know WikiIslam ?
April 18, 2022 at 10:04 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2022 at 10:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 18, 2022 at 5:19 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: [quote='The Grand Nudger' pid='2098334' dateline='1650315395']
That may be how islam works, at least according to you - but it's not how logic works. You'll need at least one more premise before it's even valid. You probably don;t recognize it as much because it's a fundamental article of your faith. When you imagine gods, you can't imagine them outside this silent premise, and so don't realize that you've made it.
Can you identify what the silent premise is or at least could be, to give you something like a valid form?
Maybe you're referring to the premise that anything God says is true. True, and only literally true, in this case, wouldn't you say? It cannot be, for example...according to you, that allah splitting the moon in two was intended for you to be understood as splitting the moon cults social authority in two. I suppose it might not have dawned on big mo to make that more explicit - but he'd have been dealing with people who were intimately familiar with the matter, which is to say, decidedly not yourself.
I guess, when you put it that way, that's too much to expect of you, or of your god. That's not actually any god of classical theism - it's just you.
Quote:Well, this is because the specific event of the splitting of the Moon is in the Qur'an. There are however, as I already said, other reported miracles that aren't in the Qur'an. And in this case, the credibility of these events is solely contingent upon the chain of narrators.Solely contingent on a game of telephone. If you don't have the courage of your convictions to call a game of telephone a game of telephone, then I don't think you do have much conviction in games of telephone.
Quote:Maybe we don't have the same definition of religious claims. But regardless I'm curious to know which ones you think are true and why. Regarding the Qur'an, I really think it's futile for someone who doesn't believe in God to try and speculate on its origins.All of them, katie. You think alot of things, scant few of which are lucid. I think that a great many religious claims are true for the same reason that I think any other thing is true, none of which have anything to do with whether or not gods (of any kind) exist. That's what we use gods for, after all. Characters in explanatory plays. You're only interested in magic book insomuch as you think it supports your beliefs. I'm interested in it even though not a word it says about gods is true. Mull that over.
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