Turkey's role in middle eastern politics

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Yes, my years of research on historic and current genocide on top of my professional experience writing about it for clients who obviously trust that I know much more than very little on the subject leave me with no experience whatsoever on the topic.

My first post did not instigate your conversation as you said it did. Re-read the thread. You made the claim that your reaction was due to my post, which was obviously a cop-out, easily refuted. If you are going to have a conversation that goes out of control, do not blame it on me when the entire conversation is recorded for everyone to see. Your biggest mistake was then replying to me pointing out the falsity of your claim with some roundabout insult on my intelligence.

Your years of research...And you still know nothing.

I don't know if 5th linked it, but I know I did. It was not relevant until you made the claim that your country has only made self-harming mistakes, which is not true.

It certainly is true.
And I stand firmly by my word.

Ah, yes, it is so easy to fake mass deaths, mass graves and the testimony of your own countrymen. My first post was benign, which was what I said. You are now using a post after that to refute the claim that my first post was benign. You are seriously bad at following the timeline of conversations.

I never said that mass graves were non-existent. I already acknowledge armenian casaulties. However, these casaulties were not a product of a systematic extermination campaign.
The Ottoman archives, who would probably state a goal of extermination if that was really the case, did not state anything bordering that. Only that the armenians were to be deported as not to cause anymore trouble.
Since you say that your post was "benign", I'll believe you. Yet you probably won't believe my word when I tell you that it was you who brought the conversation out of the line with that first post of yours, speaking of "teh horrors" of the terrible Turk.

Which falls under the stipulations for genocide. Hardships or bullet wounds, the willful killing remains. Besides, it wasn't the deportations that killed them.

Oh, what was it? Gas chambers?

Actually, I am quite aware of the records of the genocide. Most of the records were covered up, but what is left is sufficient to refute your claims. In fact, your country has had a policy of admitting to it and later backing down. Consistency would have helped, but you fucked yourselves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Cou...E2%80%9320

Admitting? Really. In a justice system that was ruled by the allied powers?
And it's really funny how the allied powers actually released men that were supposedly responsible for such crimes against humanity in the first place.

The Armenians don't claim it alone, kilic.

However I've heard from other sources that only claim simply one million.
The numbers are ever changing.

In Turkey.

But where? The camps in Germany stand as they did during WWII.
In Turkey, yes. Correct. Names? Occupants? Commanding officers? Number of deaths? Records?

Where?

There were camps during WWII in Germany.

I was talking about WWI. Allied powers spread propaganda that was allegedly committed by the Germans aswell. They took it back later on.

Oh, it was okay for your country. I see.

I'm simply saying that they do not have my sympathy. They have brought this upon themselves.

I'm not surprised. Did you hear me once say that no other country has ever done anything wrong? My point is that yours did. One killing does not excuse another, in most cases, especially when it comes to innocent children.

As I said, they had it coming.

Oh, please. I link Wikipedia because I figure it is easy to read. That doesn't mean I have never done any other research. Furthermore, unless you are the Terminator, you did not live through any of this. You know as much about it as I do, except your sources are biased.

I did not, however, I have relatives that did. My maternal grandmother's grandfather was a soldier who had seen both WWI and the Turkish war for independence. He had witnessed some of the armenian atrocities that were committed against the mussulmans. The Turks and other mussulmans celebrated when they saw the armenians were shipped to Syria, whereas they lived practically side by side until the troubles.
And it's really astonishing how you claim my sources to be biased, when there is not even a single account made by any armenian or allied sources that relate to the deaths caused by armenian gangs that were provided with weapons from the Russians.

Suuure they were, kilic. Whatever helps you.

Greeks got over it, kilic? Yeah, I am sure they did. Just because they didn't react with the utter violence that your country would have doesn't mean they are "over it." By the way, admitting that they are "over" something is admitting that they were wronged. You are contradicting yourself.

Wronged?
We have wronged no one. Greeks already got their own country.
They got greedy, tried to get more lands for themselves, but fell into the death trap that is Anatolia, just like the crusaders in the first crusade. And they packed their stuff, and left. What exactly is there to ponder?
And they even executed the generals that were responsible for the " asia minor catastrophe" as the Greeks like to call it, for it was a catastrophe from a Greek point of view, but a major victory from our point.
Getting over certain things, like military losses, is not like saying they were wronged. I personally do not think that we have wronged anybody. If any greek feels wronged for the glorious conquest of Constantinople, they probably should look for the answer in themselves, where exactly did we go wrong? And there were many places where the Byzantines failed, and that caused their annexation to a much greater power. That's how the world worked back then. However, some still think that they can get it back or something. Those are the really bydlo ones, btw. Hurr durr constantinople, turkish genocide best day of my life kind of bydlo.
A few shots of ouzo, and they'll start talking about how Turks are their best friends or something.

Turkey be condemned in an international court if found guilty.

They were. There was no need for historians, at the time. It wasn't history.

Oh? And where is the document that proves this?
If they were really so keen on punishing us for some so-called genocide, they wouldn't have thrown away the treaty of Sevres. Let's see them resurrect it, I'm waiting for it. But the truth is, nobody actually cares about the armos and their shit, they just do it to get votes.
Obama too did it for the votez, however backed the fuck down later.
After this issue is cleared out for good, we're going to sue the countries that have accepted this so-called genocide for the amount that nullifies out own national debts.
Then it's time to liberate Karabagh for good.