Turkey's role in middle eastern politics

[Shell B]

Like it's bad to actually raise your kids as patriots and nationalists.

It is to the extent that you have been spoonfed it. People are people, no matter their race. You are not part of an elite. You just happen to have been born in a certain place.

You posted a half-assed history. I pointed out what you left out. It was not inflammatory. I said nothing of "terrible" Turks. I'm not one of those idiots who blames an entire race for the actions of zealots.

You already did so;

Where, exactly? Did I say that you killed a bunch of people? Have I ever said that all members of a certain race are bad because of the actions of a few. Do not project your shortcomings onto me. Your country has its flaws, like all countries, but I do not blame all Turks for the mistakes of the past.

It is 100% without a doubt certain that the Turks went around killing people.

Your people slaughtered their people and "exiled" them to death camps.

And you're going to tell me that you didn't mean it that way. As you say it.

Why would I say that? I have never used that phrase in reference to myself in a conversation with you that I can recall. I meant it exactly as I said it. Turks went around killing people -- your people committed acts of genocide. Did I say every Turk did it?

However, it does not really matter if it was the actions of "zealots", the whole Turkish people will at the end get the blame, and will also be the ones to pay for it.

Bullshit. You really have no idea about what goes on outside of your bubble, do you? I have never heard someone blame every Turk for what happened, especially given that none of the perpetrators are alive that I know of.

And that's how you kill 1.5 million people. Very systematic, poison, I mean. Come people, get your poison shots today! Are you the ones for the death ferry? Oh, you're still around, oh wow.

Don't be a child. I listed more than one method of killing. You are being willfully obtuse. I would like to think that will go away with age, but I don't think I can chalk up all of your methods of communicating to age. I think it's a defense mechanism.

This crap is unbelievable. Like beatings and shootings, okay, that sounds reasonable. Drowning and poisoning? I don't think that we'd actually go through so much bother to kill a person. This is rubbish.

Don't be stupid. Drowning and poisoning is not that much trouble. The Nazis used to line up groups of people, tie them all together on a bridge and shoot one so the whole lot would fall into the water and be unable to swim out. It's simple, really. Poisoning is even simpler. The killers controlled the food they ate. You could take out thousands with arsenic when the only food they have is what you give them.

Just so you know, your statement reeks of ignorance. Do you realize how precious ammunition is during any war in any country? Why kill unarmed civilians with bullets when you can use something cheaper?

"Your" justice system? And I tell you that it was "your" justice system that let them out.

No, it wasn't. The U.S. had nothing to do with the trials, save a few witnesses, that I am aware of.

It was "our" justice system who declared our founding father Atatürk and the Turkish army that was fighting the Greek invasion in Anatolia to be traitors aswell. And who are we to contest the Courts in the in Istanbul which was under Allied occupation, btw? Atatürk is a traitor for fighting the Greek army(whom the Sheik-ul Islam in Istanbul declared to be the Army of the Caliph). And you want me to believe that our courts declared these men guilty because they were guilty?

I don't care what you believe. It is clear that you will only believe what suits you. What I do care about is not reading your bullshit and saying nothing to refute it when I know better. Sure, you will never change your mind out of a ridiculous sense of self that is derived solely from your country. That doesn't mean someone else reading this thread might not decide to actually read something on the topic after reading your ludicrous claims.

And I'm telling you that the same country that you're talking about, the Ottoman empire, has found Atatürk and the leaders of the revolution and anyone who sided with them to be traitors, and merited the death sentence upon them. The Sultan was in active collaboration with the Allied forces to keep his throne, and has agreed to every single thing that the Allied demanded of him.

So you had a coward for a Sultan? That was your country's only fault in the matter? Give me a break.

When it comes to Turks, everything is possible.

Even genocide? I believe your statement to mean that your countrymen are capable of anything great. Correct me if I am wrong. I must say, judging by how I see that statement, it reeks of hubris. Why is Turkey not a world power?

Şükrü Kaya?
I know who he is, however I can't even find a single google result relating to him. Even though, people also accused our founding father Atatürk to have taken part in the so-called genocide aswell. Like producing elaborate false photographs of him sitting amongst dead armenians whereas he was only sitting in his front yard with puppies.

From the Turkish coalition, eh? It doesn't matter. The pictures of dead Armenians are real. Who was with them is irrelevant.

If they cared so much about their children, they wouldn't have staged an open revolt against the empire and it's mussulman citizens. They knew that we were going to retaliate in one way or the other.

Yeah, that one way or the other should have been military in nature if your country cared at all about being decent, at that point. This is why killing civilians is forbidden under international law, barring specific circumstances. What happened to the Armenians falls under crimes against humanity because it did not involve military or militia.

And how exactly were our women at fault? The dry wood burned along with the wet.

I didn't say your women were at fault. I said theirs were not.

However, the main point was to exile them to a place where they could not cause any trouble anymore, even if they didn't participate in anything. This was done in order to remove the threat of another armed rebellion. It was a strategic descision.

Yes, genocide always is.

Still won't change my mind. Our historians and people who have committed themselves on this issue read pro-genocide documents every time. They still maintain the position that it is false.

That is your problem. You will take nothing that was not written by a Turk into account. You're being stubborn to the point of stunting personal growth.

Oh my fucking word. You are hi-lar-i-ous.

You'll see.

You are right. I will see that your countrymen, no matter what bullshit you read, cannot sue other countries for documenting what happened in your country. Even if it could, Turkey would lose and lose more respect. You really think Turkey will sue the U.S. and win. Now it is my turn for patriotism. I find the idea of Turkey suing the U.S. and winning positively laughable. How many Ivy League law schools do you have in your country?