RE: Turkey's role in middle eastern politics
November 27, 2011 at 1:02 pm
(This post was last modified: November 27, 2011 at 1:10 pm by kılıç_mehmet.)
(November 27, 2011 at 12:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: What A-Bomb are you talking about, and what do you mean what happened to the natives? Don't you realize that there is a point of view on the subject that defies the way you know it? LOL, leftist, you should like a faux news talking head, you do realize that you don't have any idea what my political leanings are, and that "leftist" isn't actually an insult in the first place right?Well, you simply ignore my point, and still go *your way*.
And well, you are a "liberal" are you not? You are the same abroad as you are here.
However, here, liberals have less strict(leftist-libertarian) views on economy than you, me or any of my comrades do.
I called you "leftist" so that you know that I know who you are.
Quote:Dropping the charade for a moment, you do realize that we do recognize exactly what we did to the natives and knowledge of this is a required component of our public education system (unlike your own apparently, that conveniently forgets this sort of shit in favor of the myth of some great and benevolent turkish nation. I'll throw in a link for you about Hiroshima and Nagasaki (in case your education system ignores shit like that as well), pay attention to the bit where the ethical justification is not simply granted because we did it. You might also want to read up on Americas role in rebuilding and making amends to Japan for the 50 years or so following the incident. So, again, it's possible to have blood on your nations hands and not be a complete douche about it. As always, whatever is offered as an olive branch by the conquerors is insufficient from an ethical standpoint, but it's something isn't it. Surely something is a tad bit better than denial and continued reference to the sub-human or evil nature of one's conquered "enemies".You do recognize what? You recognize nothing. If you do, why are the natives still piss-poor and live in shitty hovels in reserves, while you and me sit here, and talk about how America recognizes something that it might have done to the Natives?
Sure, sure.
As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I'm pretty, pretty sure that America did not feel the need to actually describe these events anything near a genocide, not unlike the decimation of the native Americans.
However, that's fine, since there certainly is no genocide to speak of.
And I did not say that we were peaceful. On the contrary, we came here, with our sabers in our hands, looting villages, burning cities, and slaughtering entire armies.
That's who we are. I do not deny it, nor do I feel bad about it. We are a nation of conquerors, and we came to conquer.
However, after we did, we settled down, built an empire and did what all settled people do. Laws, systems, and etc. A part of the system was that all those who cause unrest would be exiled to some place else, where they would be too confused to cause any more trouble. The case with armenians, and before that, millions of Turks throughout Ottoman history have been exiled to somewhere else, the most well known example being Azerbaijan, which is a country that was formed from exiled shia Turks from Anatolia. Hope you slowly begin to understand what constitutes a genocide and what does not.
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