Job

[The Grand Nudger]

When did I advocate for debasing myself? 
You know Jacob was attacked by YHWH right? 

Assault in progress, by god, you fall to your knees and pray...to god.  That's the definition of debasement, the literal definition. Let me ask you this. Let's say you see a standard run of the mill assault. God isn't immediately obvious..but could you risk stopping that assault...if it were somehow part of gods plan? Do you know which assaults are a a part of this plan, if..indeed..they aren't all a part of it's plan? Self defense? Maybe your assault, also part of it's plan?

I don't think you've thought this through at all, not even from your own mythology's standpoint.

And after God did what he did Job somehow wasn't as upset with the idea of God as you seem to be. I trust God, you don't trust God at all, I get that but saying that trusting that God is good is somehow the same as letting a violent stranger come to your house and do what he will with your family is a bit of a stretch. I'm sure that if Job had the chance to fight off the bandits which came for his possessions and family he would have done that and there is nothing I find in the Bible that would prevent someone from doing that, especially not during the time of the Old Covenant. 

Again, there's no need for trust.  Assault in progress.  Whatever it is you think god has planned, that you trust, this is simply what god is doing.  

But what none of you seem to be addressing is that the devil exists too, notice how he keeps getting a free pass to cause as much trouble as he wants to. Why is it that every time a scheme of the devil succeeds God receives the blame? And what about the bandits? Why don't we blame them for their behavior towards Job and his family? Are you entitled to have a hedge of protection against the wiles of the devil if you do not even believe that God exists? If you wake up and find out that random stuff happens in a randomly generated universe with no intelligent designer then I guess you shouldn't be surprised, correct?

Lets deal with one imaginary beasty at a time, shall we..besides, the minute a nut like you starts babbling about the devil I know we're going to see an about face.  

As it is written, "but know this, that if the master had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into."

I just met you on the internet so I don't know why you would trust a stranger with your back but the eternal reward of paradise is for those who remain loyal to God's commandments.

In Romans 13 these commandments are, Thou shalt not commit adultery, theft, murder, or covet that which does not belong to you and love others as you would want to be loved.

Magic book doesn't mean a thing to me, and quoting from it is unlikely to cast a spell.  I cannot be bought.  I don't do bad things for money, or any price. Imagine a god that can't understand this, and forms it's entire cult around a single transaction. Imagine some rando on the internet, a human being, who is similarly unaware?

Here we are. At least now we're flirting with the problem of evil. The problem being that you have decided to be evil..and you blame it on your god, and explain it away by some giant lollipop you hope to get a lick of. I think this is all completely disgusting. That's why I don't worship your bloodgod. Has nothing to do with me not believing in gods. I wouldn't join the club if it were a real god. I don't need to invent imaginary assholes, there are plenty here in the real world, I could join their little clubs..and they'd also be willing to pay me - but I don't. Amusingly, a lot of guys with my background went into forward observation work for private contractors. No trigger pulling, just watching. They'll pay for your eyes and ears, and especially your mouth, and saddle you with complicity. Sound familiar?

I'm familiar with wanting something so much that it tests my character. Are you? Do you think you're passing that test holding the beliefs you've espoused here? Or, if you prefer, does it never occur to you, as a believer in a good god..to suggest that story isn't entirely on the up and up? That the god you believe in would never do that, or insist you be complicit, or even that you remain silent? That its not an instruction manual from the divine about how to lay back and take it?