Maximizing Moral Virtue

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Bit of a cultist, idk how we’re going to proceed if you need a fact checker every few lines.

I’m the worst about that shit.  As for the immorality of Christ…it’s a fair bet that if you haven’t already seen it on the page, and in concept, nothing I have to say on the matter will register.  I just figured you should know I’m not one of those guys you have to spend any time making batshit assertions about the reality of acts with.  Saving you the trouble of a wall of revisionism and fantasy, I’d hoped…but I see that was wasted effort itself, now.

You might want to revisit your ideas of why Catholicism did what it did.  It’s very probably the -only- reason you have your religion today.  Hell of a debt you Protestants owe.  Ofc, you both owe a hell of a debt to the pagans…but if you can’t genuinely acknowledge your relationships to each other there’s little chance of you acknowledging that.

I think you do have a point about the body of the faith on your own end.  Just as the body of faith(and judging by that response se…you too) would reject the moral message of christ on its own grounds….they also reject any nod to basic kindness that Christian immorality wraps itself in for cover and improved sales oppurtunities.

Personally, my experience with Christian’s and their faith is limited in my day to day life to just the one I married…,who’s certainly a true Christian by all of the positive identifiers you’d like to focus on..,,though this doesn’t matter much to a pastor, priest, or any other witchdoctor….and to hear the story told, Christ didn’t place a huge value on them either.  Being a kind and moral person doesn’t get you a golden ticket.

She had a strong and explicit Christian upbringing.  Evangelical.  Doesn’t seem to have made her violent or rebellious, unless rebellion is counted in mere disagreement with one’s parents or culture.

Feel free to check a history book if you want to, but I am of the opinion that the move of Christ was largely stifled by the Roman Catholic church as it sought to create this legalistic spread of the good news. The Holy Spirit was doing a fine job as God's minister unto the people. In fact I have heard that in areas where missionaries proselytize without a Bible the Holy Spirit spreads much faster than when it is spread by those who constantly insist on keeping your nose within the book. We are human, and our intellect is limited so we are fallible to come to the wrong interpretations of God's Holy Word.

Catholicism is a mixed bag of good bad and ugly, they appointed themselves as the authorities over Jesus and in doing so have caused a tremendous amount of grief. Is every pope infallible in your view? Have you come to defend the holy Roman empire? Or are they just as fallible as any other priest? In my view Christianity was maintained in spite of, not by pagans or universalists. For without the holy spirit all we have is a human book written by human hands spread with human knowledge and understanding. What is good about the church is whatever has been blessed by the Holy spirit, and what is bad about the church is whatever is being stubbornly pursued without confirmation. 

You keep saying that Jesus is immoral but refuse to provide any examples of why you think this way. If anything I prefer you keep your accusations to yourself but if you aren't even willing to express them then how could I take them seriously? 

Sales opportunities? You do realize that Christ flipped the tables over for a reason right? My point here is simple, if we let Jesus be the judge then the vast majority of Churches are falling short. That's what the New Testament largely is, a collection of letters written by apostles for churches to confirm which parts of Jesus' teaching they are following and which parts they are falling short of.

So as far as I can tell no church was found to be without error in the sight of God so all have a higher standard to aspire to. Your wife sounds like a wonderful person, you see I think that the reason why Jesus can get such a bad rep is because he was constantly being contradicted by the teachers of the law which gets back to my point about the universal church. In my view they are the Pharisees of our day, the ones who cloak themselves in man-made traditions in order to appear as though they are spiritually wealthy. So when they confront Christ with superiority he humbles them with the truth. Perhaps this is why you hate Jesus so much, because he claims to know and stand for truth, because he holds the ultimate authority on this point. 

I highly recommend you read a book titled, "Gentle and Lowly" I think it will help you to understand God's true heart for those who suffer and who have been humbled by life's troubles.