RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
June 22, 2022 at 10:44 am
(This post was last modified: June 22, 2022 at 10:48 am by Aegon.)
(June 16, 2022 at 9:25 am)h311inac311 Wrote: Our creation points to a creator, the vast majority of people whom have ever existed understood this idea, and it is the primary reason why there are so many religions all across our world.
"Our creation..." let's stop right there. You're caught up in your own thinking, forgetting that there are legitimate alternatives to your personal worldview. You present this as an obvious facet of existence, when it is surely not.
And of course, the idea that, historically, most humans - who understood next to nothing about the nature of reality due to the lack of scientific knowledge - worshipped idols and gods does not mean anything about its validity. This is a clear example of argumentum ad populum.
The ancient Nordic population didn't understand why the sky thundered, so they made up a deity to explain it. Other god-based belief systems are no different.
Quote: Christians make the exclusive truth claim that our world was established by YHWH or the unmoved mover. God is real weather or not your brain imagines him to exist, and there are countless spirits within the world which your imagination also denies so all you are left with is your own cognition.
Again, you're just saying words, not making any sort of argument. You're repeating your own assumptions like it means anything to me. And your idea of God is different than others' idea of God, including your fellow Christians. Your conception of God or the unmoved mover is subject to your own cognition. We're in the same position, except you believe your own beliefs superior for no good reason.
Quote:Our base truth-claims are worlds apart, you are a creation which denies the existence of a creator. You are an intelligent being which denies the existence of an intelligent, or intentionally organized world. Your birth was based on biological rules but my question to you is what is your explanation for as to how those rules were written?
I am the product of over 13 billion years of time. I see no evidence I was "created." I did not come into this world, I came out of it, like a leaf comes out of a tree. I am not a separate, distinct entity but part of the same everything that everything else is made of. I see no reason to believe in "creation" as you do. You fall into the ego trap that Christianity lays: You and your life feel so utterly important that surely there is a God, he created us for a reason, and he guides us. I'm sorry to inform you that your higher consciousness and sense of self have deluded you. This universe was not made for you nor I, and we are nothing in the grand scale of the cosmos. I don't think the idea that we are "created" holds up to scrutiny. Any worldview that postures us as important on a cosmic scale is egotistical in the truest sense of the term.
There's this idea from Christians that if there isn't a God that created and planned things, then the conditions for human life just randomly happened. Which sounds silly. But to that I say - you are severely underestimating what can happen over billions of years. It did not happen overnight, and it certainly wasn't random. But simultaneously there is no reason to think anything was created or planned in advance... other than the fact that you just want to think that.
Once again, you're just repeating your own assumptions like they should be compelling, but they're really not.
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