(July 5, 2022 at 4:25 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:(July 5, 2022 at 3:58 pm)weaponoffreedom Wrote: So, with that in mind, "stuff came first" (cause) then light (effect). Interesting concept, that is backed up by all the laws of physics, especially thermodynamics.
I have been very analytical.......wanting proof of everything.................and if you would speak to anyone looking for facts in a case, say a murder case, or fraud case, or really any investigation, they will tell you that the two most important aspects of finding out the truth in a story, is finding out two things about the author............
What did they know and when did they know it?
Genesis 1-4
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
How did these hut dwelling individuals know that "stuff" came first, and light came after? When did they know it? Well the book is older than all of us, especially modern science, so I will let you decide that.
Was it just a good guess?
It was then that I found out many other truths in science that PROVE the existence of GOD. And now I understand it to be no other way.
For what its worth, there was a big bang.
I don't think you understand the ideas you are talking about. The laws of thermodynamics come about because of the the statistical flow of disorder (entropy) in an ensemble of particles. It is only tangentially connected to light (Blackbody radiation).
Light itself came about at around the same time as the current laws of physics and the creation of charged particles, as light is just the electromagnetic force carrier. However, the universe wasn't transparent until the density reduced.
As for the passage in Genesis, it is clearly talking about an Earth and a Heavens (ground and sky) but without life or light. Then the stars and the Sun light up (as light didn't exist yet). Is that part of the Big Bang? No - it is the imagination of someone who has no concept of modern astrophysics. It is also wrong.
Stars existed for billions of years before the solar system, so light existed before the Earth, and the Sun turned on before the Earth formed. So, scientifically it is all wrong.
Thanks for your semi respectful reply............entropy is the second law, in that it is continually expanding, just like the universe. Review the first.
The heavens and earth is not our planet and heaven.......it refers to everything you can touch, and everything you can't. Research this.